Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at EC

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 29 February 2004 22:54:07:



Computer: XP2000+
Time to find the solution: 5 seconds
Engine          Solved 
-----------------------
Ruffian_101   108/183     
Ruffian_105     110/183
Ruffian_200     109/183
Ruffian_202     109/183
Ruffian_210     115/183
Ruffian_Leiden  108/183
Yace 0.99.82     96/183
Djinn_0848      114/183
Greko 2.59       39/183
Kanguruh 1.62    12/183



Logfiles are available on request.
Djinn is performing very good, but it seems it exceded the time significantly:
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Bb5: Nxg4 BAD Score: -1758 Nodes: 6674747 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nd5: Nd5 BAD Score: 832 Nodes: 7445017 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxc8: Rxc8 OK Score: 1992 Nodes: 7387817 time: 28
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... hxg3+: Rxa1 BAD Score: -530 Nodes: 5556718 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nxc6: Nxc6 OK Score: 1790 Nodes: 1326190 time: 6
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... d3: d3 OK Score: -2148 Nodes: 3163999 time: 13
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qxf7+: Qxf7+ OK Score: 2377 Nodes: 4065426 time: 15
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rxb2+: Rxb2+ OK Score: 3008 Nodes: 1919276 time: 8
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qc7: Nxf7 BAD Score: 719 Nodes: 7385661 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Kg2: Kg2 BAD Score: 5218 Nodes: 7795330 time: 29
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nh7: Nh7 BAD Score: 1143 Nodes: 7186877 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bc8: Rd4 BAD Score: -137 Nodes: 5942175 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nh6+: Nh6+ OK Score: 1463 Nodes: 4903579 time: 20
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. O-O: Nxh7 BAD Score: 582 Nodes: 6136011 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxf6: Rxf6 OK Score: 485 Nodes: 3416977 time: 15
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nf6+: Nf6+ OK Score: 2156 Nodes: 4062697 time: 17
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. cxb5: Nxh5 BAD Score: 2226 Nodes: 5908980 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qf3: Rxe7 BAD Score: -71 Nodes: 7353476 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rb8: d3+ BAD Score: -398 Nodes: 6382395 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bd5+: Bd5+ OK Score: 0 Nodes: 2362979 time: 8
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nf1: Ba3 BAD Score: 486 Nodes: 8043710 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rb8: Ra8 BAD Score: -1788 Nodes: 7263511 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qxe6+: Ba4 BAD Score: 70 Nodes: 6278959 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Qxe3+: Ne4 BAD Score: 201 Nodes: 6400198 time: 29
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nb6: Nb6 OK Score: 0 Nodes: 5356423 time: 21
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Bxc2: Bxc2 OK Score: -3192 Nodes: 4401835 time: 18
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rb3: Rb3 BAD Score: 1263 Nodes: 6791137 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bf4: Bf4 OK Score: 6345 Nodes: 3161962 time: 13
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qc1: Qc1 OK Score: 275 Nodes: 1742404 time: 6
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxc5: Rxc5 OK Score: 952 Nodes: 2872243 time: 10
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxd6: Rxd6 BAD Score: 1936 Nodes: 8016964 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rh4+: Rh4+ OK Score: -999986 Nodes: 2456449 time: 10
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qb1: Bh7+ BAD Score: -952 Nodes: 6625974 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rab1: Bxf7+ BAD Score: 1220 Nodes: 6386487 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bxh6: Bxh6 OK Score: 1243 Nodes: 1955697 time: 9
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxh8+: Rxh8+ OK Score: 2249 Nodes: 7733650 time: 29
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nxf7: Nxf7 OK Score: 301 Nodes: 1637721 time: 7
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Bg3+: Bg3+ OK Score: 286 Nodes: 2652330 time: 9
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nxg7: Nxg7 BAD Score: -560 Nodes: 7232899 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nxh6+: Nxg7 BAD Score: 1283 Nodes: 7199940 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Be5: Rxb2 BAD Score: 332 Nodes: 6416482 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Re7: Re7 BAD Score: 186 Nodes: 9293340 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Be3: Rxd7 BAD Score: 180 Nodes: 6539041 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rc6: Rxc8+ BAD Score: 663 Nodes: 6510476 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rxd4: Rxd4 BAD Score: -2365 Nodes: 10095290 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... cxd5: Rxe5 BAD Score: 145 Nodes: 6224112 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Nc5: Rxe7 BAD Score: 2782 Nodes: 6432390 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxd7: Rxd7 BAD Score: 2008 Nodes: 6887336 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Be3: Rxd4 BAD Score: -495 Nodes: 6569515 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bxf6: Rxd8 BAD Score: 30 Nodes: 6650129 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Bh2: Bh2 OK Score: 1516 Nodes: 1647123 time: 8
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Be2: Bxe5+ BAD Score: 794 Nodes: 7163627 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bc3: Bc3 OK Score: 1761 Nodes: 5609134 time: 20
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxc4: Rxc4 OK Score: 1990 Nodes: 1361782 time: 5
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... d4: d4 BAD Score: -476 Nodes: 6165634 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxa6: Rxa6 BAD Score: 803 Nodes: 6768589 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rhg8: Rhg8 BAD Score: -96 Nodes: 7143077 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxd3: Rxd3 BAD Score: 4041 Nodes: 5947971 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rh4: e5 BAD Score: 734 Nodes: 6481956 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxf6: Rxf6 OK Score: -525 Nodes: 2764915 time: 12
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. e6: e6 BAD Score: 3691 Nodes: 5258737 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Bd2: Bd2 BAD Score: -1573 Nodes: 6735764 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Nxe4: Nxe4 OK Score: -1516 Nodes: 1463053 time: 6
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Ng5: Ng5 BAD Score: 2089 Nodes: 6141488 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bxh6: Bxh6 OK Score: 2328 Nodes: 3970543 time: 16
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bd5: Bh4 BAD Score: -192 Nodes: 5715675 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. a3: Bf8 BAD Score: 698 Nodes: 6013005 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Ng6+: Ng6+ OK Score: 404 Nodes: 1973053 time: 8
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qb2: Qb2 OK Score: 609 Nodes: 4781431 time: 19
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rh5: Qxg5+ BAD Score: 1405 Nodes: 8150916 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... h4: h4 BAD Score: -250 Nodes: 6657188 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bxh5: Bxh5 OK Score: 1338 Nodes: 2084020 time: 8
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Red1: Rxd5 BAD Score: 396 Nodes: 6391825 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rf5: Rf6 BAD Score: -803 Nodes: 6735695 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Qc7: Nc3+ BAD Score: -520 Nodes: 6195017 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nxh6: Nxh6 OK Score: 3805 Nodes: 2173586 time: 10
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bg5: Bg5 BAD Score: -479 Nodes: 7306156 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Bh3: Bh3 BAD Score: 154 Nodes: 5919038 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Nxf4: Nxf4 OK Score: -763 Nodes: 2684830 time: 14
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... a5: f3 BAD Score: -619 Nodes: 5796785 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rf7: Nxf3 BAD Score: 1359 Nodes: 6274446 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxe6: Rxe6 BAD Score: -184 Nodes: 7151804 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nxf5: Nxf5 OK Score: 1976 Nodes: 6000755 time: 27
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rxf4+: Rxf4+ OK Score: -819 Nodes: 5694895 time: 24
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bxf6: Bxf6 BAD Score: 3407 Nodes: 6847510 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Bf5: Nf3+ BAD Score: -1215 Nodes: 6135255 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rf3: Bxh4 BAD Score: -1441 Nodes: 6253997 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Nxf7: Nxf7 OK Score: 1139 Nodes: 1892544 time: 9
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxc5: Rxc5 OK Score: 1157 Nodes: 6046534 time: 25
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bh3: Bh3 OK Score: 2760 Nodes: 5903057 time: 23
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. b3: h3 BAD Score: -83 Nodes: 6490055 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Be6: Nxh2 BAD Score: -309 Nodes: 6177551 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxc6: Rxc6 BAD Score: 250 Nodes: 10038330 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. f6: f6 OK Score: 604 Nodes: 3423888 time: 15
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Ba6: e5 BAD Score: 1530 Nodes: 7080003 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. b5: b5 OK Score: 728 Nodes: 2922611 time: 10
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxa6: Rxa6 OK Score: 3783 Nodes: 7043536 time: 27
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Ba6: Ba6 BAD Score: 1945 Nodes: 7944465 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bf4: Nxa7 BAD Score: 142 Nodes: 6355420 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Rxb2: Rxb2 OK Score: -767 Nodes: 9206261 time: 28
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Bxb3: Bxb3 OK Score: -2871 Nodes: 5125704 time: 13
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. e6: Bxh7+ BAD Score: 517 Nodes: 6484159 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxh7+: Rxh7+ OK Score: 2619 Nodes: 4344068 time: 16
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qg1: Rxh7 BAD Score: 853 Nodes: 7769426 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Nxh2: Nxh2 OK Score: -1435 Nodes: 2001790 time: 8
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bxh7+: Bxh7+ BAD Score: 7560 Nodes: 7423489 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bxh7+: Bxh7+ OK Score: 4174 Nodes: 3131411 time: 13
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qd3: Nxh7 BAD Score: 587 Nodes: 7092241 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxh7: Rxh7 OK Score: 1538 Nodes: 1841964 time: 8
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Qf2: Nxh7 BAD Score: 986 Nodes: 6196351 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bxh7+: Bxh7+ OK Score: 914 Nodes: 3545184 time: 15
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. ... Nxg4: Rxh2 BAD Score: -162 Nodes: 6606292 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Bd2: Nxh7 BAD Score: 211 Nodes: 6563888 time: 30
Solution(s): Djinn 0.848 1. Rxh7: Rxh7 BAD Score: -651 Nodes: 6543956 time: 30

Regards
Volker

[Tom Likens]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tom Likens at 29 February 2004 23:41:44:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 29 February 2004 22:54:07:

[--snip--]

Logfiles are available on request.
Djinn is performing very good, but it seems it exceded the time significantly:

Hey Volker,
Trust me it's *not* intentional. How are you setting the time? I'm guessing
you're using the "st" command (is that correct). And yes, of course I'd be
interested in the log files. Just be aware that I won't be able to look at
them until next week.
regards,
--tom
P.S. Of course, it was too good to be true

[Tom Likens]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tom Likens at 29 February 2004 23:43:38:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Tom Likens at 29 February 2004 23:41:44:

[--snip--]

Logfiles are available on request.
Djinn is performing very good, but it seems it exceded the time significantly:

Hey Volker,
Trust me it's *not* intentional. How are you setting the time? I'm guessing
you're using the "st" command (is that correct). And yes, of course I'd be
interested in the log files. Just be aware that I won't be able to look at
them until next week.
regards,
--tom
P.S. Of course, it was too good to be true

One other item to quickly mention, Djinn, uses a default time of 30secs.
You can change this with the "st" command.
regards,
--tom

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 01 March 2004 00:05:15:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 29 February 2004 22:54:07:

Logfiles are available on request.
Djinn is performing very good, but it seems it exceded the time significantly:

>Computer: XP2000+
>Time to find the solution: 5 seconds
>Engine          Solved 
>-----------------------
>Ruffian_101   108/183     
>Ruffian_105     110/183
>Ruffian_200     109/183
>Ruffian_202     109/183
>Ruffian_210     115/183
>Ruffian_Leiden  108/183
>Yace 0.99.82     96/183
>Djinn_0848      114/183
>Greko 2.59       39/183
>Kanguruh 1.62    12/183
>
I think that if something is cheating then it is the program that you use to calculate the scores.
A good program should not count solutions unless the times that was used for them is less than 5 seconds
Which program do you use to calculate the results?
I know only about one program epd2wb by bruce moreland that calculates the results and I used a modified version of it by Thomas Mayer that supports also avoid move.
Uri
Uri

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 08:57:25:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Tom Likens at 29 February 2004 23:41:44:

...

Trust me it's *not* intentional.
How are you setting the time? I'm guessing
you're using the "st" command (is that correct).
And yes, of course I'd be interested in the log files.

I never assumed that .
No and maybe that caused the error. I used

 -test <input.epd> <output.res> seconds/move

as described in djinn\docs\Users_guide.html.
Just sent to you.
Regards
Volker

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 09:23:12:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 01 March 2004 00:05:15:


...

I think that if something is cheating then it is the program that you use to calculate the scores.
A good program should not count solutions unless the times that was used for them is less than 5 seconds
Which program do you use to calculate the results?
I know only about one program epd2wb by bruce moreland that calculates the results and I used a modified version of it by Thomas Mayer that supports also avoid move.

Or the operator of that program what wouldn't be the first time.
Epd2wb but only for those program which don't have a build-in "test" command. In this case for Greko and Kanguruh.
Good to know. I will test that one too.
My first impression in general is that the existing testsuite don't differentiate good enough.
A good testsuite would be
1. Valid. It would be nice to find a high correllation between test results and high-quality rating list.
2. Reliable. The results should depend as less as possible from processor speed and solution time.
3. Fast. Nolot for example takes to long to be solved I guess.
4. Avoid unnessacary positions. Most positions in WAC for example can be solved from allmost all engines witin a fraction of a second. I suggest to eliminate these positions.
Regards
Volker

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 09:56:55:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 09:23:12:

...

I know only about one program epd2wb by bruce moreland that calculates the results and I used a modified version of it by Thomas Mayer that supports also avoid move.

Good to know. I will test that one too.

Do you have a download link? I can't find it on Thomas' site. In addition in my copy of epd2wb the readme tells me:
"...The utility supports the FEN, of course. It also supports "bm" (best move),
which is the most common field aside from the FEN. Additionally, it supports
"am" (avoid move), "id" (name of this test), "fmvn" (first move number), and
"hmvc" (50-move counter)."
Are there any known problems with "am"?
...
Regards
Volker

[Vladimir Medvedev]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Vladimir Medvedev at 01 March 2004 09:58:11:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 09:23:12:

Epd2wb but only for those program which don't have a build-in "test" command. In this case for Greko and Kanguruh.

GreKo does have built-in command for solving test suites. It's name is epdtest. It is mentioned in GreKo's built-in help.

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 10:07:04:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Vladimir Medvedev at 01 March 2004 09:58:11:

...

GreKo does have built-in command for solving test suites. It's name is epdtest. It is mentioned in GreKo's built-in help.

Thank you I will use that from now on.
Volker

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 01 March 2004 10:10:53:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 09:56:55:

...

I know only about one program epd2wb by bruce moreland that calculates the results and I used a modified version of it by Thomas Mayer that supports also avoid move.

Good to know. I will test that one too.

Do you have a download link? I can't find it on Thomas' site.
"...The utility supports the FEN, of course. It also supports "bm" (best move),
which is the most common field aside from the FEN. Additionally, it supports
"am" (avoid move), "id" (name of this test), "fmvn" (first move number), and
"hmvc" (50-move counter)."
Are there any known problems with "am"?
...
Regards
Volker

I got it by email from Thomas.
He told me that he did not release it because bruce did not reply his email about it and he did not want to release modified version of epd2wb without bruce's agreement.
I do not know if there are legal problems with releasing it without getting bruce's agreement.
I send it to one of my beta testers and I can send it also to you or to another beta tester that I trust in case of an interest in it
In addition in my copy of epd2wb the readme tells me:
I remember in the past that there were problems with am when it treated them like bm.
It is possible that bruce fixed it since the time that I downloaded it and I did not check it.
Uri

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 01 March 2004 10:15:16:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 01 March 2004 10:10:53:

I send it to one of my beta testers and I can send it also to you or to >another beta tester that I trust in case of an interest in it

To be more correct I sent it to one of my beta tester(Luis smith) only after getting permission from Thomas but I get that the same permission is relevant both for you and for another beta tester because based on my memory I did not mention the name of the beta tester in my email to thomas.
Uri

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 01 March 2004 10:17:59:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 01 March 2004 10:15:16:

I send it to one of my beta testers and I can send it also to you or to >another beta tester that I trust in case of an interest in it

To be more correct I sent it to one of my beta tester(Luis smith) only after getting permission from Thomas but I *get* that the same permission is relevant both for you and for another beta tester because based on my memory I did not mention the name of the beta tester in my email to thomas.
Uri

should be *guess* instead of *get*
I guess that it is what happens when I hurry too much to post.
Uri

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 10:43:39:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Ruffians, Yace, Djinn (cheating?), Greko and Kanguruh at ECMGCP geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 01 March 2004 08:57:25:

...

No and maybe that caused the error. I used

as described in djinn\docs\Users_guide.html.

> -test <input.epd> <output.res> seconds/move
>
That is the error. If I additionally type st 5 it works fine.
Volker