time for longer time controls :-)

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 29 March 2004 18:51:14:

Hi ,


Rapid Chess tournaments 
Round Robin 
Time control
20 minutes + 10 sec. on Athlon 2600+
This tournaments will start on Sunday, April 4th and the Pyramid will be paused for a while. 
Despite of already a lot of good tournaments with longer time controls like WBEC, RWBC, WCCL, Chess War etc., I have decided that I want to add also a bit in this respect and with Nunn positions, as Blitz games were criticized a lot. I am also interested in a comparison between Blitz and Rapid Chess.
Anyway I will also continue the Blitz tournaments, because they give a lot of games (so rapid chess over the day and Blitz tournaments overnight). All done on three computers, crosstables will be updated all two days at my site. 
Starting with Nunn position 1 and hopefully proceeding to position 20 with more tournaments to come after each cycle worst four engines from leagues A, B and C will have to go down and best four from B and C will promote. In case of equal score a shootout will be done.
Updates are allowed after each position is completed.
The Leagues are corresponding to my rating list with a few exceptions. All who might argue that they belong to a higher league...promotion can be achieved  quickly...If I forgot anyone, please let me know.

League A
  1 Ruffian 1.0.5                  
  2 List 512                       
  3 Gandalf 4.32h                  
  4 SOS 4 for Arena                
  5 Smar Think 0.17a               
  6 Aristarch 4.41                
  7 Crafty 19.11                  
  8 El Chinito 3.25                
  9 Ktulu 4.2                     
 10 Thinker 4.5e                   
 11 Delfi 4.4                      
 12 Yace Paderborn                
 13 Kaissa 1.7                  
 14 Tao 5.6                        
 15 Green Light Chess 3.00       
 16 Amyan 1.593b                   
 17 Pepito v1.59                   
 18 Anaconda 1.6.2 
 
League B
               
 19 AnMon5.30                     
 20 WildCat 3.0                    
 21 Pharaon 2.62                  
 22 Gothmog 0.4.7sel6             
 23 Ikarus V0.18                   
 24 Slow Chess 2.89b             
 25 Little Goliath Nemesis        
 26 Comet B68                     
 27 KnightDreamer 3.2             
 28 King of Kings 2.52            
 29 LambChop 10.88 WB          
 30 Abrok 5.0                    
 31 Dragon 4.5 CF                 
 32 Betsy 6.51                    
 33 Quark 2.35                   
 34 Movei 00_8_178                
 35 Nejmet_3.07                    
 36 Amy 0.87
 
League C
 
 37 Arasan 5.4                     
 38 Patzer 3.61                    
 39 The Baron 1.3.0b2              
 40 Leila 0.53h                    
 41 The Crazy Bishop 0050          
 42 PostModernist v1010a           
 44 Amateur 2.80                   
 45 Terra 3.3B9                    
 46 Fruit 1.0                     
 47 Chezzz 1.0.3                  
 48 Sjeng 12.13                    
 49 Averno 0.70                    
 50 Frenzee 151                   
 51 Horizon 4.1 b8                 
 52 Queen 2.43                   
 53 Ufim 4.04                     
 54 Cerebro 1.23  
Promotion league (knockout system) 10 minutes + 5 second, two games each pairing 
Best 4 will replace last four engines from League C after first Nunn position
Phalanx XXII, Resp 0.19, Dan Chess 1.04c, Nullmover 1.25, Gnuchess 5.07, Trace 1.27, Djinn 0.848, Dorky 4.0b, Chispa 4.041,
Snitch 0.3.47, Booot 3.1, Black Bishop 0.9.2d, Waster 0.13a, Chiron 0.36, Ice Spell 0.022, Bringer 1.9, Beowulf 2.3,
Esc 1.16, Scidlet 3.61, Tytan, The Butcher 1.42c
Eleven more free spots for those who apply here or via email...if more than 11 apply there will be a Blitz shootout..if there are less, who are interested, I will take more from my old rating list, where I have most in.


http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/
Best Regards
Heinz

[Norm Pollock]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Norm Pollock at 30 March 2004 01:40:23:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: time for longer time controls geschrieben von:/posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 29 March 2004 18:51:14:

Suppose a computer today is 10 times (just using 10 for the sake of argument) faster than a computer of 5 years ago, wouldn't a chess game on the computer at 10 minutes 5 years ago be the same quality as a chess game of 1 minute today?

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 30 March 2004 09:21:44:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: time for longer time controls geschrieben von:/posted by: Norm Pollock at 30 March 2004 01:40:23:

Suppose a computer today is 10 times (just using 10 for the sake of argument) faster than a computer of 5 years ago, wouldn't a chess game on the computer at 10 minutes 5 years ago be the same quality as a chess game of 1 minute today?

Hi Norm,
difference will not be that big, but it is not only speed that counts. A lot of programs profit from huge memory with longer time controls and on a fast computer with 1024 MB total memory you can easily give 128 or even 256 MB to each engine for example for what I will start with 20 minutes plus 10 seconds increment each move. From my tests with friends I would also confirm that most programs are faster on Athlon than on Pentium given the same speed.
I am sure that for most testers it is the same fun to play on a 500 Mhz computer or on one with quad board or 3400 Mhz except for the freaks who are competing on the servers against others with the fastest hardware they can afford.
But I would have difficulties to "sell" a game on tournament time control as such, when I am using still a five or more year old computer. It would have been one five years ago, but today people are accustomed to other standards. So I divide or multiply time controls by a certain factor, depending on what I am familiar with.
I think all tests are valuable independent of hardware and there are enines who are surely performing better on slower hardware in comparison to others and vice versa.
I am looking forward to my tournaments with 20+10. Blitz is too fast to understand well the games when watching and tournament time control is too slow when concentrating only on one game, if it is not a highly interesting one. What I regret is that I cannot test all engines with more time. I calculated yesterday and found that I could well offer two more tournaments to have at least those in who are developped rapidly with a lot of enthusiasm. Not with 20+10, but at least with 10+5, giving appromitately 12-20 minutes to each side (depending on the number of moves in the game) what should also not be that bad on relatively fast hardware.
Best Regards
Heinz