Crosspost from CCC: Palestine Chess Programmers Price

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 15 June 2004 15:39:05:


Most of you have surely already noticed the following. Because I like the idea this is my contribution to spread the announcment.
Volker
Copy from CCC http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?370284:

Posted by Ingo Althofer (Profile) on June 14, 2004 at 09:20:35:
This is a (more detailed) repetition of the price
announcement, made on April 5, 2004 in "Chess Thinkers
Forum".
Please, help to spread the announcement.

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*** Palestine Chess Programmers Price ***
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To motivate Palestine programmers, I set
up a price (with three levels):
(1) 1,000 Euro for the first Palestine chess
programmer whose baby gets more than 2,200
rating points (equivalent to SSDF scaling).
(2) 1,000 Euro for the first Palestine chess
programmer whose baby beats an Israeli program
in an ICGA world championship.
(3) 1,000 Euro for the first Palestine chess
programmer whose baby gets 50+ percent of the
points in an ICGA world championship.
Time limits:
End of year 2007 for level (1),
end of 2009 for level (2),
end of 2011 for level (3).

I feel that "proper" definition of "Palestine chess
programmer" is not easy. Therefore, in the price I
make the following artificial definition:
"Applicants have to be Arabs, and they need to have
permanent residence within 34° and 36° East, and
within 28° and 34 ° North."
Details on request from
althofer "at" minet.uni-jena.de
Legal measures are excluded.
(In German: "Der Rechtsweg ist ausgeschlossen.")

Ingo Althofer.
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--------------------- Comments ---------------------------
(i) Leo Dijksman is willing to help with testing
for the 2200 level. (So applicants do not need to
have their programs in the SSDF list.)
(ii) Amir Ban has written already in early April 2004:
"... The day that Arabs decide to equal or better Israelis
in competitive and intellectual achievements will also be
the day the conflict ends."
"...I'll double the price"
(iii) Peter Berger has also offered help.
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[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 June 2004 16:53:44:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Crosspost from CCC: Palestine Chess Programmers Price geschrieben von:/posted by: Volker Pittlik at 15 June 2004 15:39:05:

--------------------- Comments ---------------------------
(i) Leo Dijksman is willing to help with testing
for the 2200 level. (So applicants do not need to
have their programs in the SSDF list.)
(ii) Amir Ban has written already in early April 2004:
"... The day that Arabs decide to equal or better Israelis
in competitive and intellectual achievements will also be
the day the conflict ends."
"...I'll double the price"
(iii) Peter Berger has also offered help.
---------------------------------------------------------

This conflict will end only when justice is established in Middle East.
It means:
1) when all refugies, banned from Palestine in 1948, return to their father´s land,
2) when they receive reparations for their devastate properties and suffering.
Is it possible while the current Zionist Jewish state exist?
I think it could be possible, but only when a new Jewish state is born, a different and a no-raciste one.
Could anyone tell me what a game of chess and chess programing have to do with these ?
Regards. SL - chess philosopher

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 15 June 2004 18:20:35:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crosspost from CCC: Palestine Chess Programmers Price geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 June 2004 16:53:44:


...

Could anyone tell me what a game of chess and chess programing have to do with these ?
Regards. SL - chess philosopher

It could be a very little step to replace violence by competition. Therefore I support the idea.
Because you refer to philosophy: isn't the right to exist commonly accepted at least since the enlightment?
Regards
Volker

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 June 2004 22:23:41:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: (OT) Crosspost from CCC: Palestine Chess Programmers Price geschrieben von:/posted by: Volker Pittlik at 15 June 2004 18:20:35:

...

Could anyone tell me what a game of chess and chess programing have to do with these ?
Regards. SL - chess philosopher

It could be a very little step to replace violence by competition. Therefore I support the idea.
Because you refer to philosophy: isn't the right to exist commonly accepted at least since the enlightment?
Regards
Volker

Volker,
Imagine that your grand-father destroied my grand-father´s home, expelled his family (when my father was little boy) and stole his land, and 50 years after that, making still use of my grand-father´s property, you come to me and say:
"Slobodan, forget all that. Let´s play chess."
Do you think that all conditions for playing chess are fulfilled ?
Regards. SL.

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 16 June 2004 09:03:40:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: (OT) Crosspost from CCC: Palestine Chess Programmers Price geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 June 2004 22:23:41:


...

Volker,
Imagine that your grand-father destroied my grand-father´s home, expelled his family (when my father was little boy) and stole his land, and 50 years after that, making still use of my grand-father´s property, you come to me and say:
"Slobodan, forget all that. Let´s play chess."
Do you think that all conditions for playing chess are fulfilled ?

My father's family was expelled after World War II. Once I visited the area they lived. A nice place with friendly people living there. We didn't play chess because there wasn't an opportunity for it. But if I ever go there again and there is an opportunity for it I see no reason to deny.
Also I (and no one I know) has any intention to return to there.
Regards
Volker
BTW: I think this threat is going far off-topic.

[Peter Berger]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Peter Berger at 16 June 2004 12:06:54:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crosspost from CCC: Palestine Chess Programmers Price geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 June 2004 16:53:44:

--------------------- Comments ---------------------------
(i) Leo Dijksman is willing to help with testing
for the 2200 level. (So applicants do not need to
have their programs in the SSDF list.)
(ii) Amir Ban has written already in early April 2004:
"... The day that Arabs decide to equal or better Israelis
in competitive and intellectual achievements will also be
the day the conflict ends."
"...I'll double the price"
(iii) Peter Berger has also offered help.
---------------------------------------------------------

This conflict will end only when justice is established in Middle East.
It means:
1) when all refugies, banned from Palestine in 1948, return to their father´s land,
2) when they receive reparations for their devastate properties and suffering.
Is it possible while the current Zionist Jewish state exist?
I think it could be possible, but only when a new Jewish state is born, a different and a no-raciste one.
Could anyone tell me what a game of chess and chess programing have to do with these ?
Regards. SL - chess philosopher

Nothing much.
The purpose of this idea of Ingo Althoefer is simply to further development of chessprogramming in Arab countries and peaceful competition in this field. This won't solve the conflict in the Middle East of course and no one believes it will.
Leaving political considerations out and not commenting on your suggestions, it still does make much more sense to me to write a chessprogram than to blow oneself up in a bus.
Peter

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 16 June 2004 14:47:12:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: (OT) Crosspost from CCC: Palestine Chess Programmers Price geschrieben von:/posted by: Volker Pittlik at 16 June 2004 09:03:40:

...

Volker,
Imagine that your grand-father destroied my grand-father´s home, expelled his family (when my father was little boy) and stole his land, and 50 years after that, making still use of my grand-father´s property, you come to me and say:
"Slobodan, forget all that. Let´s play chess."
Do you think that all conditions for playing chess are fulfilled ?

My father's family was expelled after World War II. Once I visited the area they lived. A nice place with friendly people living there. We didn't play chess because there wasn't an opportunity for it. But if I ever go there again and there is an opportunity for it I see no reason to deny.
Also I (and no one I know) has any intention to return to there.
Regards
Volker
BTW: I think this threat is going far off-topic.

Yes, but you and your family don´t live in refugee camp, like Palestine families, which are the third generation of the original refugees from 1947-48.
The basic problems of those people, who were victims of violance, has not been solved for 60 years.
Regards. SL.

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 16 June 2004 15:00:02:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crosspost from CCC: Palestine Chess Programmers Price geschrieben von:/posted by: Peter Berger at 16 June 2004 12:06:54:

--------------------- Comments ---------------------------
(i) Leo Dijksman is willing to help with testing
for the 2200 level. (So applicants do not need to
have their programs in the SSDF list.)
(ii) Amir Ban has written already in early April 2004:
"... The day that Arabs decide to equal or better Israelis
in competitive and intellectual achievements will also be
the day the conflict ends."
"...I'll double the price"
(iii) Peter Berger has also offered help.
---------------------------------------------------------

This conflict will end only when justice is established in Middle East.
It means:
1) when all refugies, banned from Palestine in 1948, return to their father´s land,
2) when they receive reparations for their devastate properties and suffering.
Is it possible while the current Zionist Jewish state exist?
I think it could be possible, but only when a new Jewish state is born, a different and a no-raciste one.
Could anyone tell me what a game of chess and chess programing have to do with these ?
Regards. SL - chess philosopher
"... The day that Arabs decide to equal or better Israelis
in competitive and intellectual achievements will also be
the day the conflict ends."

Nothing much.
The purpose of this idea of Ingo Althoefer is simply to further development of chessprogramming in Arab countries and peaceful competition in this field. This won't solve the conflict in the Middle East of course and no one believes it will.
Leaving political considerations out and not commenting on your suggestions, it still does make much more sense to me to write a chessprogram than to blow oneself up in a bus.
Peter

Peter,
I´ve started with my observation after reading these words of Amir Ban: ( April 2004 ):
And I tried to explain why the conflict will not stop that way.
The conflict could end only when Palestine regufees start living like Volker, with dignity, not in refugee camps.
Obviously, they can start competing in chess and chess programing, but if Zionists think it could be a good deal for preserving their violent conquest, then they are very wrong.
Regards. SL