A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up....

[Wael Deeb]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 16:06:59:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 05 June 2004 16:23:19:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 16:06:59:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

Well, IMHO you should never adjourn a Human-Comp game before it's
_really_a dead draw because the Human (You) could much more likely
blunder in nearly every position with more than a few pieces OTB.
This game looks far from being played to the very end...
I bet a GM would not even think a single moment about a draw offer
from a weaker opponent in that position, being the pawn up side!
(Trying to adjust ratings from your games you should even be
more precise about adjourning)
Regards,
Günther
Regards,
Günther

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Tord Romstad at 05 June 2004 16:27:35:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 16:06:59:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me

Well done, Wael!
I've already told it not to play the English opening against *anyone*. If you use the
tournament book ("tbook yes" in the gothmog.ini file), it will never play any other
first moves than 1. e4 and 1. d4.
Tord

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Uri Blass at 05 June 2004 16:45:53:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 05 June 2004 16:23:19:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

Well, IMHO you should never adjourn a Human-Comp game before it's
_really_a dead draw because the Human (You) could much more likely
blunder in nearly every position with more than a few pieces OTB.
This game looks far from being played to the very end...
I bet a GM would not even think a single moment about a draw offer
from a weaker opponent in that position, being the pawn up side!
(Trying to adjust ratings from your games you should even be
more precise about adjourning)
Regards,
Günther
Regards,
Günther

I totally agree.
The position is not a draw.
I have no idea if it is a draw or not a draw if both sides find the right moves
but there is no right to adjudicate the game as a draw.
If I get it in a game then
I do not plan to agree to a draw but try to win.
Uri

[Wael Deeb]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 17:50:33:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 05 June 2004 16:23:19:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

Well, IMHO you should never adjourn a Human-Comp game before it's
_really_a dead draw because the Human (You) could much more likely
blunder in nearly every position with more than a few pieces OTB.
This game looks far from being played to the very end...
I bet a GM would not even think a single moment about a draw offer
from a weaker opponent in that position, being the pawn up side!
(Trying to adjust ratings from your games you should even be
more precise about adjourning)
Regards,
Günther
Regards,
Günther

Hi,
This game was played until the the 87_th move and was dead draw,I've just posted the position after which I think that it's not interesting!
Don't worry,I am deadly precise about adjourning and I am pretty strong player too ....Don't forget that I am the only one that is playing these programs at my tournaments for about 2 years now!Soon I'll post my whole work till now!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

[Wael Deeb]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 17:56:19:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Uri Blass at 05 June 2004 16:45:53:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

Well, IMHO you should never adjourn a Human-Comp game before it's
_really_a dead draw because the Human (You) could much more likely
blunder in nearly every position with more than a few pieces OTB.
This game looks far from being played to the very end...
I bet a GM would not even think a single moment about a draw offer
from a weaker opponent in that position, being the pawn up side!
(Trying to adjust ratings from your games you should even be
more precise about adjourning)
Regards,
Günther
Regards,
Günther

I totally agree.
The position is not a draw.
I have no idea if it is a draw or not a draw if both sides find the right moves
but there is no right to adjudicate the game as a draw.
If I get it in a game then
I do not plan to agree to a draw but try to win.
Uri

Hi Uri,
You can't win this game,the pawn at b3 is doomed and without any practical defence!The other thing is that the two bishops are one coloured!It's draw my friend and at a slow time control of two hours for game and having 72 minutes left,I'll defend this position even against Kasparov himself!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Uri Blass at 05 June 2004 18:04:50:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 17:56:19:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

Well, IMHO you should never adjourn a Human-Comp game before it's
_really_a dead draw because the Human (You) could much more likely
blunder in nearly every position with more than a few pieces OTB.
This game looks far from being played to the very end...
I bet a GM would not even think a single moment about a draw offer
from a weaker opponent in that position, being the pawn up side!
(Trying to adjust ratings from your games you should even be
more precise about adjourning)
Regards,
Günther
Regards,
Günther

I totally agree.
The position is not a draw.
I have no idea if it is a draw or not a draw if both sides find the right moves
but there is no right to adjudicate the game as a draw.
If I get it in a game then
I do not plan to agree to a draw but try to win.
Uri

Hi Uri,
You can't win this game,the pawn at b3 is doomed and without any practical defence!The other thing is that the two bishops are one coloured!It's draw my friend and at a slow time control of two hours for game and having 72 minutes left,I'll defend this position even against Kasparov himself!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

I do not see it.
The fact that gothmog could not win it does not mean that it is a draw.
White can try to put the white king at c4 and push the b pawn forward.
Uri

[Wael Deeb]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 18:06:53:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 16:06:59:

....from the same tournament played the last month!BTW,Gothmog has all the chances to win this tournament.....details to come later!Thank you a lot for your interest!I'll continue to fight these monsters until the last breath!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.05.20"]
[White "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Black "Pepito 1.59i nonprofile wb"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A33"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 e6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nf6 6.Ndb5 Bc5 7.Bf4 O-O 8.Bc7 Qe7
{-0.09/13} 9.Bd6 Bxd6 {-0.07/13} 10.Qxd6 Qxd6 {-0.18/14} 11.Nxd6 Ne8 {-0.21/15} 12.Nxe8
Rxe8 {-0.21/14} 13.Nb5 Re7 {-0.13/15} 14.Nd6 Nb4 {-0.09/15} 15.Kd2 b6 {-0.09/15}
16.g3 Ba6 {-0.12/15} 17.Bg2 Rb8 {-0.14/15} 18.Rhd1 Nc6 {-0.15/14} 19.b3 f5 {-0.15/14}
20.f4 Nd8 {-0.18/15} 21.Rac1 Nf7 {-0.14/14} 22.Nxf7 Kxf7 {-0.04/14} 23.Ke3 d5
{0.02/14} 24.c5 Kf6 {0.02/14} 25.Bf3 g6 {0.00/14} 26.Kf2 bxc5 {0.06/17} 27.Rxc5 Rc8
{0.08/16} 28.Rxc8 Bxc8 {0.03/16} 29.Rc1 Ba6 {0.01/16} 30.Rc6 Bb5 {0.07/16} 31.Rc1 Rb7
{0.11/15} 32.e3 Bd3 {0.14/14} 33.Be2 Bxe2 {0.06/16} 34.Kxe2 g5 {0.01/16} 35.Kd3 g4
{0.00/16} 1/2-1/2

[Wael Deeb]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 18:25:55:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Uri Blass at 05 June 2004 18:04:50:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

Well, IMHO you should never adjourn a Human-Comp game before it's
_really_a dead draw because the Human (You) could much more likely
blunder in nearly every position with more than a few pieces OTB.
This game looks far from being played to the very end...
I bet a GM would not even think a single moment about a draw offer
from a weaker opponent in that position, being the pawn up side!
(Trying to adjust ratings from your games you should even be
more precise about adjourning)
Regards,
Günther
Regards,
Günther

I totally agree.
The position is not a draw.
I have no idea if it is a draw or not a draw if both sides find the right moves
but there is no right to adjudicate the game as a draw.
If I get it in a game then
I do not plan to agree to a draw but try to win.
Uri

Hi Uri,
You can't win this game,the pawn at b3 is doomed and without any practical defence!The other thing is that the two bishops are one coloured!It's draw my friend and at a slow time control of two hours for game and having 72 minutes left,I'll defend this position even against Kasparov himself!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

I do not see it.
The fact that gothmog could not win it does not mean that it is a draw.
White can try to put the white king at c4 and push the b pawn forward.
Uri

Hi Uri,
It's not so easy to put the white king at c4,because when it starts it's way to the c4 square,the black king will creep down to the white's king side to swallow some tastey white pawns....
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Uri Blass at 05 June 2004 18:28:25:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 18:25:55:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

Well, IMHO you should never adjourn a Human-Comp game before it's
_really_a dead draw because the Human (You) could much more likely
blunder in nearly every position with more than a few pieces OTB.
This game looks far from being played to the very end...
I bet a GM would not even think a single moment about a draw offer
from a weaker opponent in that position, being the pawn up side!
(Trying to adjust ratings from your games you should even be
more precise about adjourning)
Regards,
Günther
Regards,
Günther

I totally agree.
The position is not a draw.
I have no idea if it is a draw or not a draw if both sides find the right moves
but there is no right to adjudicate the game as a draw.
If I get it in a game then
I do not plan to agree to a draw but try to win.
Uri

Hi Uri,
You can't win this game,the pawn at b3 is doomed and without any practical defence!The other thing is that the two bishops are one coloured!It's draw my friend and at a slow time control of two hours for game and having 72 minutes left,I'll defend this position even against Kasparov himself!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

I do not see it.
The fact that gothmog could not win it does not mean that it is a draw.
White can try to put the white king at c4 and push the b pawn forward.
Uri

Hi Uri,
It's not so easy to put the white king at c4,because when it starts it's way to the c4 square,the black king will creep down to the white's king side to swallow some tastey white pawns....
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

Maybe but this plan is always in the air and white can use the pieces to try to prevent the black king to make progress.
Uri

[Wael Deeb]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Wael Deeb at 05 June 2004 19:28:12:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Uri Blass at 05 June 2004 18:28:25:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me
[Event "BasicLeague_007"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.06.05"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.8 wb"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A30"]
[Opening "English"]
1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O g6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.d4 cxd4 8.Qxd4 d6 9.Be3
Nbd7 10.Rac1 Rc8 11.b3 O-O 12.Qd2 a6 13.Bh3 Rb8 14.Nd4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Rfd1 Ba8
17.Nc2 b5 18.Nb4 bxc4 19.Rxc4 Rc8 20.Nxa6 Rxc4 21.bxc4 Qc8 22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Nb4
{0.37/14} Rc8 24.Qd3 {0.37/14} Bb7 25.Nd5 {0.40/15} Bxd5 26.cxd5 {0.93/15} Qa4 27.Qb3
{0.87/15} Qxb3 28.axb3 {0.90/17} Rb8 29.Rd3 {1.06/17} Rb5 30.Kg2 {1.09/16} Bb2 31.Kf3
{1.15/16} f5 32.Bf4 {1.12/16} Ba3 33.g4 {1.12/16} fxg4+ 34.Kxg4 {1.09/16} Bc5 35.f3
{1.09/15} Kf7 36.e4 {1.09/16} 1/2-1/2

Well, IMHO you should never adjourn a Human-Comp game before it's
_really_a dead draw because the Human (You) could much more likely
blunder in nearly every position with more than a few pieces OTB.
This game looks far from being played to the very end...
I bet a GM would not even think a single moment about a draw offer
from a weaker opponent in that position, being the pawn up side!
(Trying to adjust ratings from your games you should even be
more precise about adjourning)
Regards,
Günther
Regards,
Günther

I totally agree.
The position is not a draw.
I have no idea if it is a draw or not a draw if both sides find the right moves
but there is no right to adjudicate the game as a draw.
If I get it in a game then
I do not plan to agree to a draw but try to win.
Uri

Hi Uri,
You can't win this game,the pawn at b3 is doomed and without any practical defence!The other thing is that the two bishops are one coloured!It's draw my friend and at a slow time control of two hours for game and having 72 minutes left,I'll defend this position even against Kasparov himself!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

I do not see it.
The fact that gothmog could not win it does not mean that it is a draw.
White can try to put the white king at c4 and push the b pawn forward.
Uri

Hi Uri,
It's not so easy to put the white king at c4,because when it starts it's way to the c4 square,the black king will creep down to the white's king side to swallow some tastey white pawns....
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

Maybe but this plan is always in the air and white can use the pieces to try to prevent the black king to make progress.
Uri

Hi,
Yes,the plan is always in the air,but it's hard to realize it because black has a very good chances for counterplay!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

[Wael Deeb]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Wael Deeb at 06 June 2004 11:04:21:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A draw against Gothmog 0.4.8 even with one pawn up.... geschrieben von:/posted by: Tord Romstad at 05 June 2004 16:27:35:

Hi,
Even with this extra pawn and with same coloured bishops,it's a dead draw....Yeeeehaaaa!
P.S.Tord,tell Gothmog to avoid playing English opening against me

Well done, Wael!
I've already told it not to play the English opening against *anyone*. If you use the
tournament book ("tbook yes" in the gothmog.ini file), it will never play any other
first moves than 1. e4 and 1. d4.
Tord

Hi Tord,
I do have "tbook yes" in the gothmog.ini file,but the tbook.file wasn't there in Gothmog's folder!All fixed now,but I escaped from the beast with 1 draw at least
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB