Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 13:36:11:
Hi,
I am so proud with this win over a strong and respective engine like Queen 2.42!I must admit that this opening,
[D49 QGD:Semi-Slav,Meran,Blumfeld Variation],is one of my most deadly weapons when I play with white!
BTW,The time control is 2 hours per game!
[Event "BasicLeague_005"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.01.02"]
[Round "1-0"]
[White "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Black "Queen 2.42"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "D49"]
[Opening "QGD"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 a6 9.e4
c5 10.e5 cxd4 11.Nxb5 axb5 12.exf6 Qb6 13.fxg7 Bxg7 14.O-O O-O 15.Re1 Bb7 16.Bf4 Bd5 17.Ne5 Bxe5 18.Qg4+ Kh8 19.Rxe5 Rfg8 20.Qh5 Rxg2+ 21.Kf1 f5 22.Rxd5 Rg1+ 23.Kxg1 Rg8+ 24.Kh1 Qc6 25.Be4 Rg6 26.Rg1 exd5 27.Bxf5 1-0
P.S.I'll post results of my BasicLeague tournament series later!
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The most beautiful own win over a winboard engine!!
by Dr.WAEL DEEB » 03 Jan 2004, 13:36
- Dr.WAEL DEEB
Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by Dr.WAEL DEEB » 03 Jan 2004, 13:40
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 13:40:12:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: The most beautiful own win over a winboard engine!! geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 13:36:11:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: The most beautiful own win over a winboard engine!! geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 13:36:11:
Hi,
I am so proud with this win over a strong and respective engine like Queen 2.42!I must admit that this opening,
[D49 QGD:Semi-Slav,Meran,Blumfeld Variation],is one of my most deadly weapons when I play with white!
BTW,The time control is 2 hours per game!
[Event "BasicLeague_005"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.01.02"]
[Round "1-0"]
[White "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Black "Queen 2.42"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "D49"]
[Opening "QGD"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 a6 9.e4
c5 10.e5 cxd4 11.Nxb5 axb5 12.exf6 Qb6 13.fxg7 Bxg7 14.O-O O-O 15.Re1 Bb7 16.Bf4 Bd5 17.Ne5 Bxe5 18.Qg4+ Kh8 19.Rxe5 Rfg8 20.Qh5 Rxg2+ 21.Kf1 f5 22.Rxd5 Rg1+ 23.Kxg1 Rg8+ 24.Kh1 Qc6 25.Be4 Rg6 26.Rg1 exd5 27.Bxf5 1-0
P.S.I'll post results of my BasicLeague tournament series later!
- Dr.WAEL DEEB
Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by AndyC » 03 Jan 2004, 15:10
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: AndyC at 03 January 2004 15:10:20:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 13:40:12:
What hardware are you running on? I ran the position before 21. ... f5 and here is the output for Queen 2.42a
Analysis by Queen 2.42a:
21...Nxe5 22.Qxh7#
-+ (-3.24) Depth: 1 00:00:00
+- (#1) Depth: 2 00:00:00
21...f5 22.Rxd5 Rg1+ 23.Kxg1
-+ (-2.93) Depth: 2 00:00:00
+- (2.04) Depth: 3 00:00:00
21...Nf6 22.Qxf7 Rg7 23.Qxf6 Rxa2
² (0.37) Depth: 3 00:00:00
± (0.90) Depth: 5 00:00:00
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Rd8 24.Qxb5 Qf6 25.Qf5
= (-0.15) Depth: 5 00:00:00
³ (-0.41) Depth: 11 00:01:04 22538kN
As you can see Queen sees f5 is losing in 0 seconds after a 2 ply search and doesn't return to it thereafter. I wonder if there is something wrong with your version of Queen?
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 13:40:12:
What hardware are you running on? I ran the position before 21. ... f5 and here is the output for Queen 2.42a
Analysis by Queen 2.42a:
21...Nxe5 22.Qxh7#
-+ (-3.24) Depth: 1 00:00:00
+- (#1) Depth: 2 00:00:00
21...f5 22.Rxd5 Rg1+ 23.Kxg1
-+ (-2.93) Depth: 2 00:00:00
+- (2.04) Depth: 3 00:00:00
21...Nf6 22.Qxf7 Rg7 23.Qxf6 Rxa2
² (0.37) Depth: 3 00:00:00
± (0.90) Depth: 5 00:00:00
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Rd8 24.Qxb5 Qf6 25.Qf5
= (-0.15) Depth: 5 00:00:00
³ (-0.41) Depth: 11 00:01:04 22538kN
As you can see Queen sees f5 is losing in 0 seconds after a 2 ply search and doesn't return to it thereafter. I wonder if there is something wrong with your version of Queen?
Hi,
I am so proud with this win over a strong and respective engine like Queen 2.42!I must admit that this opening,
[D49 QGD:Semi-Slav,Meran,Blumfeld Variation],is one of my most deadly weapons when I play with white!
BTW,The time control is 2 hours per game!
[Event "BasicLeague_005"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.01.02"]
[Round "1-0"]
[White "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Black "Queen 2.42"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "D49"]
[Opening "QGD"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 a6 9.e4
c5 10.e5 cxd4 11.Nxb5 axb5 12.exf6 Qb6 13.fxg7 Bxg7 14.O-O O-O 15.Re1 Bb7 16.Bf4 Bd5 17.Ne5 Bxe5 18.Qg4+ Kh8 19.Rxe5 Rfg8 20.Qh5 Rxg2+ 21.Kf1 f5 22.Rxd5 Rg1+ 23.Kxg1 Rg8+ 24.Kh1 Qc6 25.Be4 Rg6 26.Rg1 exd5 27.Bxf5 1-0
P.S.I'll post results of my BasicLeague tournament series later!
- AndyC
Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by Dr.WAEL DEEB » 03 Jan 2004, 17:43
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 17:43:43:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: AndyC at 03 January 2004 15:10:20:
Hi,
I am playing with Quenn 2.42 and I don't think that there's something broken,because it's leading in my BasicLeague_005 and propably will win the tournament!
BasicLeague_005
Hardware:AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1400Mz,512Mb Ram,
hashtables=128Mb for each engine!
Software:Windows XP Professional,GUI:Arena 1.0!
Nalimov EGTB:all 4 pieces and most of 5 pieces!
Conditions:
Time controls:2 hours per game!
Each engine plays 4 games against all other engines!
Ponder off!
Learning enabled!
No adapters are used!
No frozen,or out of time games!Just clear cut results!
*Participate 8 engines + 1 human!
**Every engine starts with 1800 ELO,which is calculated manualy using FIDE calculating method!
BasicLeague_005
RankEngineScoreGnGkQuPoWaDrAsNeCaS-B1Gnuchess 5.06n 14.5/16· · · · ·2.0/20.5/22.0/22.0/22.0/22.0/22.0/22.0/2 78,00 2Gk 0.90 11.5/160.0/2· · · · ·0.0/22.0/22.0/22.0/21.5/22.0/22.0/2 47,75 3Queen 2.42 10.0/121.5/22.0/2· · · · ·1.0/11.0/10.5/21.0/11.0/12.0/2 68,25 4Pooky 2.0 6.5/130.0/20.0/20.0/1· · · · ·0.0/11.5/21.0/12.0/22.0/2 19,00 5Waster 0.1 5.5/110.0/20.0/20.0/11.0/1· · · · ·0.5/11.0/11.0/12.0/2 18,00 6Dr.WAEL DEEB {Human}5.0/140.0/20.0/21.5/20.5/20.5/1· · · · ·0.0/11.0/21.5/2 25,00 7Asterisk 0.4b 4.5/110.0/20.5/20.0/10.0/10.0/11.0/1· · · · ·1.0/12.0/2 15,25 8Nero 5.31 2.5/130.0/20.0/20.0/10.0/20.0/11.0/20.0/1· · · · ·1.5/2 6,50 9Cassandre 0.24_PrBk 1.0/160.0/20.0/20.0/20.0/20.0/20.5/20.0/20.5/2· · · · · 3,75
61 of 144 games played
Tournament start: 2003.11.08, 11:42:55
Latest update: 2004.01.03, 18:17:53
Site/ Country: ,
Level: Blitz 120/0
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1410 MHz
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Build 2600
Table created with: Arena 1.0
P.S.I didn't notice that there is an update to 2.42a!Can you tell what's new in this version,or mayby a bug fix?
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: AndyC at 03 January 2004 15:10:20:
What hardware are you running on? I ran the position before 21. ... f5 and here is the output for Queen 2.42a
Analysis by Queen 2.42a:
21...Nxe5 22.Qxh7#
-+ (-3.24) Depth: 1 00:00:00
+- (#1) Depth: 2 00:00:00
21...f5 22.Rxd5 Rg1+ 23.Kxg1
-+ (-2.93) Depth: 2 00:00:00
+- (2.04) Depth: 3 00:00:00
21...Nf6 22.Qxf7 Rg7 23.Qxf6 Rxa2
² (0.37) Depth: 3 00:00:00
± (0.90) Depth: 5 00:00:00
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Rd8 24.Qxb5 Qf6 25.Qf5
= (-0.15) Depth: 5 00:00:00
³ (-0.41) Depth: 11 00:01:04 22538kN
As you can see Queen sees f5 is losing in 0 seconds after a 2 ply search and doesn't return to it thereafter. I wonder if there is something wrong with your version of Queen?Hi,
I am so proud with this win over a strong and respective engine like Queen 2.42!I must admit that this opening,
[D49 QGD:Semi-Slav,Meran,Blumfeld Variation],is one of my most deadly weapons when I play with white!
BTW,The time control is 2 hours per game!
[Event "BasicLeague_005"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.01.02"]
[Round "1-0"]
[White "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Black "Queen 2.42"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "D49"]
[Opening "QGD"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 a6 9.e4
c5 10.e5 cxd4 11.Nxb5 axb5 12.exf6 Qb6 13.fxg7 Bxg7 14.O-O O-O 15.Re1 Bb7 16.Bf4 Bd5 17.Ne5 Bxe5 18.Qg4+ Kh8 19.Rxe5 Rfg8 20.Qh5 Rxg2+ 21.Kf1 f5 22.Rxd5 Rg1+ 23.Kxg1 Rg8+ 24.Kh1 Qc6 25.Be4 Rg6 26.Rg1 exd5 27.Bxf5 1-0
P.S.I'll post results of my BasicLeague tournament series later!
Hi,
I am playing with Quenn 2.42 and I don't think that there's something broken,because it's leading in my BasicLeague_005 and propably will win the tournament!
BasicLeague_005
Hardware:AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1400Mz,512Mb Ram,
hashtables=128Mb for each engine!
Software:Windows XP Professional,GUI:Arena 1.0!
Nalimov EGTB:all 4 pieces and most of 5 pieces!
Conditions:
Time controls:2 hours per game!
Each engine plays 4 games against all other engines!
Ponder off!
Learning enabled!
No adapters are used!
No frozen,or out of time games!Just clear cut results!
*Participate 8 engines + 1 human!
**Every engine starts with 1800 ELO,which is calculated manualy using FIDE calculating method!
BasicLeague_005
RankEngineScoreGnGkQuPoWaDrAsNeCaS-B1Gnuchess 5.06n 14.5/16· · · · ·2.0/20.5/22.0/22.0/22.0/22.0/22.0/22.0/2 78,00 2Gk 0.90 11.5/160.0/2· · · · ·0.0/22.0/22.0/22.0/21.5/22.0/22.0/2 47,75 3Queen 2.42 10.0/121.5/22.0/2· · · · ·1.0/11.0/10.5/21.0/11.0/12.0/2 68,25 4Pooky 2.0 6.5/130.0/20.0/20.0/1· · · · ·0.0/11.5/21.0/12.0/22.0/2 19,00 5Waster 0.1 5.5/110.0/20.0/20.0/11.0/1· · · · ·0.5/11.0/11.0/12.0/2 18,00 6Dr.WAEL DEEB {Human}5.0/140.0/20.0/21.5/20.5/20.5/1· · · · ·0.0/11.0/21.5/2 25,00 7Asterisk 0.4b 4.5/110.0/20.5/20.0/10.0/10.0/11.0/1· · · · ·1.0/12.0/2 15,25 8Nero 5.31 2.5/130.0/20.0/20.0/10.0/20.0/11.0/20.0/1· · · · ·1.5/2 6,50 9Cassandre 0.24_PrBk 1.0/160.0/20.0/20.0/20.0/20.0/20.5/20.0/20.5/2· · · · · 3,75
61 of 144 games played
Tournament start: 2003.11.08, 11:42:55
Latest update: 2004.01.03, 18:17:53
Site/ Country: ,
Level: Blitz 120/0
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1410 MHz
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Build 2600
Table created with: Arena 1.0
P.S.I didn't notice that there is an update to 2.42a!Can you tell what's new in this version,or mayby a bug fix?
- Dr.WAEL DEEB
Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by U.Tuerke » 03 Jan 2004, 17:45
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: U.Tuerke at 03 January 2004 17:45:54:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 13:40:12:
In fact, Comet "thinks" that 21... f5 had been a heavy blunder move and would not consider it. Am I right to say that the strong Queen engine had missed some basic tactics here ?
Analysis before 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n1p1p/1q2p3/1p1bR2Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Nxh5 24.Rxb6 Nxf4
³ (-0.64) Depth: 6/26 00:00:01 336kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 948kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 983kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.63) Depth: 8/27 00:00:05 1649kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.36) Depth: 8/27 00:00:09 2863kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Bxh7
³ (-0.35) Depth: 8/27 00:00:15 5007kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Be4 Qa6
³ (-0.34) Depth: 9/27 00:00:17 5680kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 f5
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/28 00:00:29 10165kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Rd8 24.Bg5 f6 25.Bh6 Rg6 26.Bxg6 hxg6
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/35 00:00:53 19066kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Nf6 25.Ke2
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:01 21411kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 26359kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.06) Depth: 11/35 00:02:16 47425kN
Analysis after 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n3p/1q2p3/1p1bRp1Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 w - f6 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.67) Depth: 6/17 00:00:00 123kN
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.94) Depth: 6/18 00:00:00 155kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Rc1 Qg2+ 25.Ke2
+- (4.38) Depth: 6/21 00:00:00 238kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Nf6 24.Rxb6 Kg8
+- (4.38) Depth: 7/22 00:00:01 550kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Ke2
+- (4.51) Depth: 7/22 00:00:02 674kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.51) Depth: 8/23 00:00:03 1167kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1649kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1745kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.77) Depth: 9/25 00:00:08 2448kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6
+- (4.55) Depth: 9/26 00:00:14 4713kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qf8
+- (4.55) Depth: 10/32 00:00:25 8663kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qe7
+- (4.82) Depth: 10/34 00:00:33 11888kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:13 26298kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 27080kN
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 13:40:12:
Congrats !Hi,
I am so proud with this win over a strong and respective engine like Queen 2.42!I must admit that this opening,
[D49 QGD:Semi-Slav,Meran,Blumfeld Variation],is one of my most deadly weapons when I play with white!
BTW,The time control is 2 hours per game!
[Event "BasicLeague_005"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2004.01.02"]
[Round "1-0"]
[White "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Black "Queen 2.42"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "D49"]
[Opening "QGD"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 a6 9.e4
c5 10.e5 cxd4 11.Nxb5 axb5 12.exf6 Qb6 13.fxg7 Bxg7 14.O-O O-O 15.Re1 Bb7 16.Bf4 Bd5 17.Ne5 Bxe5 18.Qg4+ Kh8 19.Rxe5 Rfg8 20.Qh5 Rxg2+ 21.Kf1 f5 22.Rxd5 Rg1+ 23.Kxg1 Rg8+ 24.Kh1 Qc6 25.Be4 Rg6 26.Rg1 exd5 27.Bxf5 1-0
P.S.I'll post results of my BasicLeague tournament series later!
In fact, Comet "thinks" that 21... f5 had been a heavy blunder move and would not consider it. Am I right to say that the strong Queen engine had missed some basic tactics here ?
Analysis before 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n1p1p/1q2p3/1p1bR2Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Nxh5 24.Rxb6 Nxf4
³ (-0.64) Depth: 6/26 00:00:01 336kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 948kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 983kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.63) Depth: 8/27 00:00:05 1649kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.36) Depth: 8/27 00:00:09 2863kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Bxh7
³ (-0.35) Depth: 8/27 00:00:15 5007kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Be4 Qa6
³ (-0.34) Depth: 9/27 00:00:17 5680kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 f5
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/28 00:00:29 10165kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Rd8 24.Bg5 f6 25.Bh6 Rg6 26.Bxg6 hxg6
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/35 00:00:53 19066kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Nf6 25.Ke2
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:01 21411kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 26359kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.06) Depth: 11/35 00:02:16 47425kN
Analysis after 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n3p/1q2p3/1p1bRp1Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 w - f6 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.67) Depth: 6/17 00:00:00 123kN
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.94) Depth: 6/18 00:00:00 155kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Rc1 Qg2+ 25.Ke2
+- (4.38) Depth: 6/21 00:00:00 238kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Nf6 24.Rxb6 Kg8
+- (4.38) Depth: 7/22 00:00:01 550kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Ke2
+- (4.51) Depth: 7/22 00:00:02 674kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.51) Depth: 8/23 00:00:03 1167kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1649kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1745kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.77) Depth: 9/25 00:00:08 2448kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6
+- (4.55) Depth: 9/26 00:00:14 4713kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qf8
+- (4.55) Depth: 10/32 00:00:25 8663kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qe7
+- (4.82) Depth: 10/34 00:00:33 11888kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:13 26298kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 27080kN
- U.Tuerke
Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by AndyC » 03 Jan 2004, 17:54
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: AndyC at 03 January 2004 17:54:18:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 17:43:43:
Version 2.42a, 1 Dec 2003:
This is a bug fix in the module that deals with
UCI commands, after a problem reported to me
by Patrick Buchmann. This problem appeared to
apply only to Queen running under the
Fritz/Shredder GUI. For WinBoard users, this
version will behave exactly the same as
v. 2.42.
By the looks of things, not an update to get unless you use the fritz gui.
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 17:43:43:
It's readily available from the Queen Website. From the package -Hi,
I am playing with Quenn 2.42 and I don't think that there's something broken,because it's leading in my BasicLeague_005 and propably will win the tournament!P.S.I didn't notice that there is an update to 2.42a!Can you tell what's new in this version,or mayby a bug fix?
Version 2.42a, 1 Dec 2003:
This is a bug fix in the module that deals with
UCI commands, after a problem reported to me
by Patrick Buchmann. This problem appeared to
apply only to Queen running under the
Fritz/Shredder GUI. For WinBoard users, this
version will behave exactly the same as
v. 2.42.
By the looks of things, not an update to get unless you use the fritz gui.
- AndyC
Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by Dr.WAEL DEEB » 03 Jan 2004, 18:12
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 18:12:09:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: AndyC at 03 January 2004 17:54:18:
I don't understand what's the reason for making this move 21....f5??When I play my tournaments,engine-engine & engine-human games,I don't use my computer for anything else!!As I said,you can see from my previous post that Queen 2.42 has all the chances to win this event,so...after all,engines and humans do blunder when playing chess and that's why there are wins and loses,right!?
BTW,here is another game against Queen 2.42 from the same tournament:
[Event "BasicLeague_005"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2003.12.30"]
[White "Queen 2.42"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D55"]
[Opening "QGD"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.e3 O-O 8.Qc2 c5
9.dxc5 Qa5 10.cxd5 exd5 11.Nd4 Qxc5 12.O-O-O Bxd4 13.exd4 Qd6 14.Nb5 Qf4+ 15.Qd2 Qxd2+
16.Rxd2 Nc6 17.Nc7 Rb8 18.Nxd5 Rd8 19.Ne3 Rxd4 20.Bc4 Rxd2 21.Kxd2 Bd7 22.Rd1 Rd8
23.Ke1 Be6 24.Bxe6 Rxd1+ 25.Kxd1 fxe6 26.Nc4 b6 27.Kd2 1/2-1/2
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: AndyC at 03 January 2004 17:54:18:
Hi,It's readily available from the Queen Website. From the package -Hi,
I am playing with Quenn 2.42 and I don't think that there's something broken,because it's leading in my BasicLeague_005 and propably will win the tournament!P.S.I didn't notice that there is an update to 2.42a!Can you tell what's new in this version,or mayby a bug fix?
Version 2.42a, 1 Dec 2003:
This is a bug fix in the module that deals with
UCI commands, after a problem reported to me
by Patrick Buchmann. This problem appeared to
apply only to Queen running under the
Fritz/Shredder GUI. For WinBoard users, this
version will behave exactly the same as
v. 2.42.
By the looks of things, not an update to get unless you use the fritz gui.
I don't understand what's the reason for making this move 21....f5??When I play my tournaments,engine-engine & engine-human games,I don't use my computer for anything else!!As I said,you can see from my previous post that Queen 2.42 has all the chances to win this event,so...after all,engines and humans do blunder when playing chess and that's why there are wins and loses,right!?
BTW,here is another game against Queen 2.42 from the same tournament:
[Event "BasicLeague_005"]
[Site "Varna"]
[Date "2003.12.30"]
[White "Queen 2.42"]
[Black "Dr.WAEL DEEB"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D55"]
[Opening "QGD"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.e3 O-O 8.Qc2 c5
9.dxc5 Qa5 10.cxd5 exd5 11.Nd4 Qxc5 12.O-O-O Bxd4 13.exd4 Qd6 14.Nb5 Qf4+ 15.Qd2 Qxd2+
16.Rxd2 Nc6 17.Nc7 Rb8 18.Nxd5 Rd8 19.Ne3 Rxd4 20.Bc4 Rxd2 21.Kxd2 Bd7 22.Rd1 Rd8
23.Ke1 Be6 24.Bxe6 Rxd1+ 25.Kxd1 fxe6 26.Nc4 b6 27.Kd2 1/2-1/2
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
- Dr.WAEL DEEB
Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by Dr.WAEL DEEB » 03 Jan 2004, 18:22
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 18:22:13:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: U.Tuerke at 03 January 2004 17:45:54:
Thank you,Uli
Yes,you're completely right!Queen took about 2 minutes and a half to calculate this move and never considered another!Strange,but as I said in one of my posts here for this thread,people and engines do blunder and that's why you sometimes win and most of the time lose ....talking about my self!
Thanx for this wonderful analysis by Comet B.67!BTW,It's not so easy to 22.Rxd5 when you're playing behind the board and have a little time in your clock!
Is there a new release of your engine?I mean in the near future!?
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: U.Tuerke at 03 January 2004 17:45:54:
Hi,Congrats !Hi,
I am so proud with this win over a strong and respective engine like Queen 2.42!
In fact, Comet "thinks" that 21... f5 had been a heavy blunder move and would not consider it. Am I right to say that the strong Queen engine had missed some basic tactics here ?
Analysis before 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n1p1p/1q2p3/1p1bR2Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Nxh5 24.Rxb6 Nxf4
³ (-0.64) Depth: 6/26 00:00:01 336kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 948kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 983kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.63) Depth: 8/27 00:00:05 1649kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.36) Depth: 8/27 00:00:09 2863kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Bxh7
³ (-0.35) Depth: 8/27 00:00:15 5007kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Be4 Qa6
³ (-0.34) Depth: 9/27 00:00:17 5680kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 f5
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/28 00:00:29 10165kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Rd8 24.Bg5 f6 25.Bh6 Rg6 26.Bxg6 hxg6
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/35 00:00:53 19066kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Nf6 25.Ke2
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:01 21411kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 26359kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.06) Depth: 11/35 00:02:16 47425kN
Analysis after 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n3p/1q2p3/1p1bRp1Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 w - f6 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.67) Depth: 6/17 00:00:00 123kN
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.94) Depth: 6/18 00:00:00 155kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Rc1 Qg2+ 25.Ke2
+- (4.38) Depth: 6/21 00:00:00 238kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Nf6 24.Rxb6 Kg8
+- (4.38) Depth: 7/22 00:00:01 550kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Ke2
+- (4.51) Depth: 7/22 00:00:02 674kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.51) Depth: 8/23 00:00:03 1167kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1649kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1745kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.77) Depth: 9/25 00:00:08 2448kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6
+- (4.55) Depth: 9/26 00:00:14 4713kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qf8
+- (4.55) Depth: 10/32 00:00:25 8663kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qe7
+- (4.82) Depth: 10/34 00:00:33 11888kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:13 26298kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 27080kN
Thank you,Uli
Yes,you're completely right!Queen took about 2 minutes and a half to calculate this move and never considered another!Strange,but as I said in one of my posts here for this thread,people and engines do blunder and that's why you sometimes win and most of the time lose ....talking about my self!
Thanx for this wonderful analysis by Comet B.67!BTW,It's not so easy to 22.Rxd5 when you're playing behind the board and have a little time in your clock!
Is there a new release of your engine?I mean in the near future!?
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
- Dr.WAEL DEEB
Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by Günther Simon » 03 Jan 2004, 18:29
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Günther Simon at 03 January 2004 18:29:25:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 18:12:09:
BTW thanks for your nice comment on RWBC today.
Best regards,
Günther
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 18:12:09:
Well, a debug file would help Leen a lot to find out what happened here.Hi,It's readily available from the Queen Website. From the package -Hi,
I am playing with Quenn 2.42 and I don't think that there's something broken,because it's leading in my BasicLeague_005 and propably will win the tournament!P.S.I didn't notice that there is an update to 2.42a!Can you tell what's new in this version,or mayby a bug fix?
Version 2.42a, 1 Dec 2003:
This is a bug fix in the module that deals with
UCI commands, after a problem reported to me
by Patrick Buchmann. This problem appeared to
apply only to Queen running under the
Fritz/Shredder GUI. For WinBoard users, this
version will behave exactly the same as
v. 2.42.
By the looks of things, not an update to get unless you use the fritz gui.
I don't understand what's the reason for making this move 21....f5??When I play my tournaments,engine-engine & engine-human games,I don't use my computer for anything else!!As I said,you can see from my previous post that Queen 2.42 has all the chances to win this event,so...after all,engines and humans do blunder when playing chess and that's why there are wins and loses,right!?
BTW thanks for your nice comment on RWBC today.
Best regards,
Günther
- Günther Simon
Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ?
by U.Tuerke » 03 Jan 2004, 18:31
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: U.Tuerke at 03 January 2004 18:31:25:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 18:22:13:
Just a guess ...
I am sure that you are right.
Playing a move like this against a computer; that's really something.
It's years ago now that I have tried my last game against an engine. It was just too frustrating. In the middle of the 80-ers, I still had some chance against computers, but now it's absolutely hopeless.
Perhaps in February or March, in case I can get some confidence, it's worthwhile.
Greetings,
Uli
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 18:22:13:
Perhaps, there is some new pruning attempt in the Queen version which you are using. This may pay off in general but may be involve some risk ?Hi,Congrats !Hi,
I am so proud with this win over a strong and respective engine like Queen 2.42!
In fact, Comet "thinks" that 21... f5 had been a heavy blunder move and would not consider it. Am I right to say that the strong Queen engine had missed some basic tactics here ?
Analysis before 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n1p1p/1q2p3/1p1bR2Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Nxh5 24.Rxb6 Nxf4
³ (-0.64) Depth: 6/26 00:00:01 336kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 948kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 983kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.63) Depth: 8/27 00:00:05 1649kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.36) Depth: 8/27 00:00:09 2863kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Bxh7
³ (-0.35) Depth: 8/27 00:00:15 5007kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Be4 Qa6
³ (-0.34) Depth: 9/27 00:00:17 5680kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 f5
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/28 00:00:29 10165kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Rd8 24.Bg5 f6 25.Bh6 Rg6 26.Bxg6 hxg6
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/35 00:00:53 19066kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Nf6 25.Ke2
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:01 21411kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 26359kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.06) Depth: 11/35 00:02:16 47425kN
Analysis after 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n3p/1q2p3/1p1bRp1Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 w - f6 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.67) Depth: 6/17 00:00:00 123kN
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.94) Depth: 6/18 00:00:00 155kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Rc1 Qg2+ 25.Ke2
+- (4.38) Depth: 6/21 00:00:00 238kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Nf6 24.Rxb6 Kg8
+- (4.38) Depth: 7/22 00:00:01 550kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Ke2
+- (4.51) Depth: 7/22 00:00:02 674kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.51) Depth: 8/23 00:00:03 1167kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1649kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1745kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.77) Depth: 9/25 00:00:08 2448kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6
+- (4.55) Depth: 9/26 00:00:14 4713kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qf8
+- (4.55) Depth: 10/32 00:00:25 8663kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qe7
+- (4.82) Depth: 10/34 00:00:33 11888kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:13 26298kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 27080kN
Thank you,Uli
Yes,you're completely right!Queen took about 2 minutes and a half to calculate this move and never considered another!Strange,but as I said in one of my posts here for this thread,people and engines do blunder and that's why you sometimes win and most of the time lose ....talking about my self!
Thanx for this wonderful analysis by Comet B.67!BTW,It's not so easy to 22.Rxd5 when you're playing behind the board and have a little time in your clock!
Is there a new release of your engine?I mean in the near future!?
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
Just a guess ...
I am sure that you are right.
Playing a move like this against a computer; that's really something.
It's years ago now that I have tried my last game against an engine. It was just too frustrating. In the middle of the 80-ers, I still had some chance against computers, but now it's absolutely hopeless.
Perhaps in February or March, in case I can get some confidence, it's worthwhile.
Greetings,
Uli
- U.Tuerke
Wish you all the best and good luck to your Comet!!
by Dr.WAEL DEEB » 03 Jan 2004, 18:48
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 18:48:17:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: U.Tuerke at 03 January 2004 18:31:25:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: U.Tuerke at 03 January 2004 18:31:25:
Perhaps, there is some new pruning attempt in the Queen version which you are using. This may pay off in general but may be involve some risk ?Hi,Congrats !Hi,
I am so proud with this win over a strong and respective engine like Queen 2.42!
In fact, Comet "thinks" that 21... f5 had been a heavy blunder move and would not consider it. Am I right to say that the strong Queen engine had missed some basic tactics here ?
Analysis before 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n1p1p/1q2p3/1p1bR2Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Nxh5 24.Rxb6 Nxf4
³ (-0.64) Depth: 6/26 00:00:01 336kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 948kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5
³ (-0.64) Depth: 7/27 00:00:03 983kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.63) Depth: 8/27 00:00:05 1649kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Qh6 Rg1+ 25.Kxg1 Qf3
³ (-0.36) Depth: 8/27 00:00:09 2863kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Bxh7
³ (-0.35) Depth: 8/27 00:00:15 5007kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Qb7 25.Be4 Qa6
³ (-0.34) Depth: 9/27 00:00:17 5680kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 f5
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/28 00:00:29 10165kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Rd8 24.Bg5 f6 25.Bh6 Rg6 26.Bxg6 hxg6
= (-0.07) Depth: 9/35 00:00:53 19066kN
21...Rg7 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qxd5 Ra7 24.Rc1 Nf6 25.Ke2
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:01 21411kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.07) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 26359kN
21...Rg7 22.Rg5 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Rxg5 24.Bxg5 f6 25.Bxf6+ Kg8
= (-0.06) Depth: 11/35 00:02:16 47425kN
Analysis after 21 ... f5
Dr.WAEL DEEB - Queen 2.42
r6k/3n3p/1q2p3/1p1bRp1Q/3p1B2/3B4/PP3PrP/R4K2 w - f6 0 1
Analysis by Comet B67:
...
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.67) Depth: 6/17 00:00:00 123kN
22.Rxd5 Nf6 23.Be5 Rgg8 24.Bxf6+ Rg7
+- (3.94) Depth: 6/18 00:00:00 155kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Rc1 Qg2+ 25.Ke2
+- (4.38) Depth: 6/21 00:00:00 238kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Nf6 24.Rxb6 Kg8
+- (4.38) Depth: 7/22 00:00:01 550kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxb5 Qc6 24.Ke2
+- (4.51) Depth: 7/22 00:00:02 674kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.51) Depth: 8/23 00:00:03 1167kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxa2 24.Rxa2 Rxd7
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1649kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.78) Depth: 8/25 00:00:05 1745kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.a3
+- (4.77) Depth: 9/25 00:00:08 2448kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6
+- (4.55) Depth: 9/26 00:00:14 4713kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qf8
+- (4.55) Depth: 10/32 00:00:25 8663kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 Qe7
+- (4.82) Depth: 10/34 00:00:33 11888kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:13 26298kN
22.Rxd5 Rg7 23.Rxd7 Rxd7 24.Be5+ Rg7 25.Qh6 Qb7 26.Bxg7+ Qxg7 27.Qxe6 b4 28.Bxf5
+- (5.35) Depth: 10/35 00:01:16 27080kN
Thank you,Uli
Yes,you're completely right!Queen took about 2 minutes and a half to calculate this move and never considered another!Strange,but as I said in one of my posts here for this thread,people and engines do blunder and that's why you sometimes win and most of the time lose ....talking about my self!
Thanx for this wonderful analysis by Comet B.67!BTW,It's not so easy to 22.Rxd5 when you're playing behind the board and have a little time in your clock!
Is there a new release of your engine?I mean in the near future!?
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB
Just a guess ...
I am sure that you are right.
Playing a move like this against a computer; that's really something.
It's years ago now that I have tried my last game against an engine. It was just too frustrating. In the middle of the 80-ers, I still had some chance against computers, but now it's absolutely hopeless.
Perhaps in February or March, in case I can get some confidence, it's worthwhile.
Greetings,
Uli
- Dr.WAEL DEEB
You welcome :-)
by Dr.WAEL DEEB » 03 Jan 2004, 18:49
Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 03 January 2004 18:49:28:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Günther Simon at 03 January 2004 18:29:25:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: Can your engine avoid the fatal 21....f5 ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Günther Simon at 03 January 2004 18:29:25:
Well, a debug file would help Leen a lot to find out what happened here.Hi,It's readily available from the Queen Website. From the package -Hi,
I am playing with Quenn 2.42 and I don't think that there's something broken,because it's leading in my BasicLeague_005 and propably will win the tournament!P.S.I didn't notice that there is an update to 2.42a!Can you tell what's new in this version,or mayby a bug fix?
Version 2.42a, 1 Dec 2003:
This is a bug fix in the module that deals with
UCI commands, after a problem reported to me
by Patrick Buchmann. This problem appeared to
apply only to Queen running under the
Fritz/Shredder GUI. For WinBoard users, this
version will behave exactly the same as
v. 2.42.
By the looks of things, not an update to get unless you use the fritz gui.
I don't understand what's the reason for making this move 21....f5??When I play my tournaments,engine-engine & engine-human games,I don't use my computer for anything else!!As I said,you can see from my previous post that Queen 2.42 has all the chances to win this event,so...after all,engines and humans do blunder when playing chess and that's why there are wins and loses,right!?
BTW thanks for your nice comment on RWBC today.
Best regards,
Günther
- Dr.WAEL DEEB
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