WBEC Ridderkerk new results.

[Leo Dijksman]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 16:58:13:

Participants Promo A:
Updates allowed until one day before the startdate of the tourney!
Promo tourney A: - Dual MP2400 - startdate: 24-01-2004!
1 Gromit 3.8.2
2 Nejmet 3.07
3 Yace Paderborn
4 Patzer 3.61
5 Amyan 1.592
6 Leila 0.53h
First 3 to the Premier, 4, 5 and 6 to the 1st division!
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New results Premier division: (finished!)

Round 17: (last round)
Nejmet 3.07 01½½ 2.0/4
SmarThink 0.17a 10½½ 2.0/4
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WARP 0.58 0½1½ 2.0/4
Rebel 12 1½0½ 2.0/4
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Promo B tourney:
Round 1:
First results tomorrow!
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Promo C tourney:
Round 1:
First results tomorrow!
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Crosstables and pgn on the WBEC homepage.
Enginelist, latest updates/new engines:
23/01/2003:
Updated: Dimitri v0.6.1 (New: resign, level)
Leo.


WBEC Ridderkerk homepage.

[Juan Carlos Malasquez]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Juan Carlos Malasquez at 23 January 2004 17:23:03:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: WBEC Ridderkerk new results. geschrieben von: / posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 16:58:13:

Hello Leo
Rating ELO ?

Best Regards
Juan Carlos Malasquez



http://www.inforchess.com

[Dimitris Poulos]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dimitris Poulos at 23 January 2004 17:58:40:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: WBEC Ridderkerk new results. geschrieben von: / posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 16:58:13:

Hi Leo,
Does Deep Sjeng use any learning?
What book did you use with it?
Dimitris

[Thomas Lagershausen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Thomas Lagershausen at 23 January 2004 18:18:41:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: WBEC Ridderkerk new results. geschrieben von: / posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 16:58:13:

New results Premier division: (finished!)
Leo.

It was one of the highlights of the last year and makes the world more special.
Thx for this gift.
Thomas Lagershausen

[Leo Dijksman]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 20:14:52:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Question about Deep Sjeng geschrieben von: / posted by: Dimitris Poulos at 23 January 2004 17:58:40:

Hi Dimitris,

Hi Leo,
Does Deep Sjeng use any learning?
What book did you use with it?
Dimitris

Yes, booklearning is on.
Sjeng.bk
Leo.



WBEC Ridderkerk homepage.

[Leo Dijksman]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 20:15:59:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Rating ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Juan Carlos Malasquez at 23 January 2004 17:23:03:

Hello Juan!

Hello Leo
Rating ELO ?
Best Regards
Juan Carlos Malasquez

Will be updated in the weekend!
Best wishes,
Leo.



WBEC Ridderkerk homepage.

[Leo Dijksman]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 20:17:35:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Thx for this amazing tournament geschrieben von: / posted by: Thomas Lagershausen at 23 January 2004 18:18:41:

New results Premier division: (finished!)
Leo.

It was one of the highlights of the last year and makes the world more special.
Thx for this gift.
Thomas Lagershausen

WBEC Ridderkerk homepage.

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sune Fischer at 23 January 2004 21:40:17:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: WBEC Ridderkerk new results. geschrieben von: / posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 16:58:13:

Promo C tourney:
Round 1:
First results tomorrow!

Leo, I have a question.
This promotion tourney is with Terra and Cerebro, but it was Betsy and Scidlet that won the rights as they finished in the blue part of the spectrum.
It seems you have changed the rules, or is it a mistake?
My guess is that you have removed a few buggy engines from the divisions higher up and that gave room for additional promotions because you want a specific number of engines in each division, I can understand that.
However one of the most interesting aspects from my POV was of course if Frenzee would manage to finish ahead of those two and earn the right to fight for promotion.
I must admit I feel a bit silly about that now, it seems in hindsight that Frenzee was never in any real danger of not promoting.
In the future, is there any way it can done in a way so the promotion lines can be trusted to apply for next round?
I can imagine other worse senarios, e.g. suppose one engine fights for promotion and gets it (turns blue), but in the mean time a very strong new engine is released. This engine gets put into a group higher up, but now everything is shifted one notch down and the blue guy doesn't get his promotion after all.
-S.

[Leo Dijksman]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 22:56:56:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: WBEC Ridderkerk new results. geschrieben von: / posted by: Sune Fischer at 23 January 2004 21:40:17:

Promo C tourney:
Round 1:
First results tomorrow!

Leo, I have a question.
This promotion tourney is with Terra and Cerebro, but it was Betsy and Scidlet that won the rights as they finished in the blue part of the spectrum.
It seems you have changed the rules, or is it a mistake?
My guess is that you have removed a few buggy engines from the divisions higher up and that gave room for additional promotions because you want a specific number of engines in each division, I can understand that.
However one of the most interesting aspects from my POV was of course if Frenzee would manage to finish ahead of those two and earn the right to fight for promotion.
I must admit I feel a bit silly about that now, it seems in hindsight that Frenzee was never in any real danger of not promoting.
In the future, is there any way it can done in a way so the promotion lines can be trusted to apply for next round?
I can imagine other worse senarios, e.g. suppose one engine fights for promotion and gets it (turns blue), but in the mean time a very strong new engine is released. This engine gets put into a group higher up, but now everything is shifted one notch down and the blue guy doesn't get his promotion after all.
-S.

I did not change the rules.
Its because some higher ranked engines are taken out:
WBNimzo (Premier), AnMon (1st) and List (2nd), in all cases because the have one or more bugs and the authors dont want (can) fix them.
That means you are 100% sure Frenzee finish at the top 3 here?:
Esc 1.16
Knightx 1.81
Butcher 1.42c
Frenzee 149
Terra 3.3 b4
Cerebro 1.23a

I dont see what you mean here, the first 2 of the "blue" lines are directly promoted now and rank 5 and 6 replace them at the promotion tourney!?
Ofcourse its not as expected but you can hardly blame me if a author dont want or can fix his own engine, there are still some buggy engines in it like Rebel 12 which will be taken out if its not fixed before the next edition is finished, I should have take it out already if Ed had not prommised me that he will fix it.
Wrong, in all cases the "blue" (normally rank 2,3 and 4) engines fight at an promotion/relegation tourney between two editions, if a new engine is added the
changes are made at the bottom of all lower divisions, not on the top of them!
Take a look at the setup page, there is a example how it should be done.
Best wishes and Goodluck at the promotion tourney,
Leo.




WBEC Ridderkerk, setup page.

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sune Fischer at 23 January 2004 23:47:57:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: WBEC Ridderkerk new results. geschrieben von: / posted by: Leo Dijksman at 23 January 2004 22:56:56:

I did not change the rules.
Its because some higher ranked engines are taken out:
WBNimzo (Premier), AnMon (1st) and List (2nd), in all cases because the have one or more bugs and the authors dont want (can) fix them.

My guess is that you have removed a few buggy engines from the divisions higher up and that gave room for additional promotions because you want a specific number of engines in each division, I can understand that.
However one of the most interesting aspects from my POV was of course if Frenzee would manage to finish ahead of those two and earn the right to fight for promotion.
I must admit I feel a bit silly about that now, it seems in hindsight that Frenzee was never in any real danger of not promoting.
In the future, is there any way it can done in a way so the promotion lines can be trusted to apply for next round?
I can imagine other worse senarios, e.g. suppose one engine fights for promotion and gets it (turns blue), but in the mean time a very strong new engine is released. This engine gets put into a group higher up, but now everything is shifted one notch down and the blue guy doesn't get his promotion after all.

That means you are 100% sure Frenzee finish at the top 3 here?:
Esc 1.16
Knightx 1.81
Butcher 1.42c
Frenzee 149
Terra 3.3 b4
Cerebro 1.23a
I dont see what you mean here, the first 2 of the "blue" lines are directly promoted now and rank 5 and 6 replace them at the promotion tourney!?
Ofcourse its not as expected but you can hardly blame me if a author dont want or can fix his own engine, there are still some buggy engines in it like Rebel 12 which will be taken out if its not fixed before the next edition is finished, I should have take it out already if Ed had not prommised me that he will fix it.
Wrong, in all cases the "blue" (normally rank 2,3 and 4) engines fight at an promotion/relegation tourney between two editions, if a new engine is added the
changes are made at the bottom of all lower divisions, not on the top of them!
Take a look at the setup page, there is a example how it should be done.
Best wishes and Goodluck at the promotion tourney,

No I meant "not in any danger of not getting to play for a promotion spot",
just as I wrote in the previos line.
But it was a long sentence to repeat so I took the liberty of shortening it a bit.
What I mean is, that part of the excitement is the fight over these promotion
spots.
It matters if you move them around, think about the emotional
rollercoster you put people through here:
"oh darn I didn't get the promotion, no wait now I got the promotion?"
That's true, but I think these things are bound to happen with that many
engines, something unexpected should be expected everytime.
Ok, but it still forces an unexpected demotion of one engine, but that
may not be quite as bad since you didn't just win a promotion from bp>
Thanks, it will be tough as always
-S.