RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins

[Sergio Martinez]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 16:39:56:


29104
Clasific.MotorAutorPaísPuntajeCeGoDjRiMaGoS-B1Cerebro 1.23 Antonio Senatore9,5/10· ·1=11111111 37,25 2Gothmog 0.43 Tord Romstad7,5/100=· ·01111111 25,75 3Djinn 0.828 Tom Likens5,0/100010· ·111010 19,00 4Rinko 1.10b Marco Grella3,5/10000000· ·=111 7,50 5Maronti 0.06 Luca Damiani3,0/10000001=0· ·1= 9,00 6Golem 0.4rev41Gianluigi Masciulli1,5/10000001000=· · 6,50 
30 partidas jugadas / Torneo finalizado
Inicio del torneo: 2004.01.29, 10:07:44
Última actualización: 2004.01.29, 16:26:11
Lugar/ País: MOZQUITO, Spain
Nivel: Blitz 5/1
Procesador: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1300MHz 1297 MHz
Sistema operativo: Microsoft Windows 2000 Build 2195
Archivo PGN: http://usuarios.lycos.es/stalewb/index.htm
Tabla creada con: Arena 1.02

[Sergio Martinez]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 16:41:07:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 16:39:56:

Djinn lost on time two games:
[Event "29104"]
[Site "MOZQUITO"]
[Date "2004.01.29"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Djinn 0.828"]
[Black "Maronti 0.06"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B92/21"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Time "15:05:54"]
[Variation "Najdorf, Opovcensky Variation, Main Line"]
[TimeControl "300+1"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[PlyCount "51"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.O-O Be6 9.f4
Qc7 10.a4 Bxb3 11.cxb3 Qc5+ 12.Kh1 O-O 13.Qd3 Nc6 14.Be3 Qb4 15.Nd5 Nxd5 16.Qxd5
Nd4 17.Bc4 Bf6 18.a5 Rab8 19.Rad1 Ne6 20.Qxd6 Qxd6 21.Rxd6 exf4 22.Ba7 Rbe8 23.Rd7 Bxb2 24.Rxb7 Bc3 25.Bb6 Rea8 {0-1 Blancas pierde por tiempo}
[Event "29104"]
[Site "MOZQUITO"]
[Date "2004.01.29"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Golem 0.4rev41"]
[Black "Djinn 0.828"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D37/22"]
[Opening "QGD"]
[Time "14:12:58"]
[Variation "Hastings Variation, Main Line"]
[TimeControl "300+1"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[PlyCount "62"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.d4 Be7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.a3 Nc6 9.Qc2
Qa5 10.O-O-O Be7 11.g4 dxc4 12.Bxc4 e5 13.g5 exf4 14.gxf6 Bxf6 15.Nd5 Bd8 16.Bd3
fxe3 17.Bxh7+ Kh8 18.Nxe3 g6 19.h4 Kxh7 20.h5 Kg7 21.h6+ Kh8 22.Rd5 Qc7 23.Qc3+ f6
24.Rd3 Qf4 25.Nh4 Kh7 26.Qe1 Ne5 27.Rd2 Qe4 28.Qf1 Be6 29.Nhg2 Bb3 30.Nc2 Rc8 31.Nge1
{1-0 Negras pierde por tiempo}

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 29 January 2004 17:01:51:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 16:39:56:

Hello Sergio,
wow, I can confirm that Antonio improved a lot over version 1.22. But finishing in front of strong Gothmog 0.4.3 is anyway a surprise. Djinn is also a fine engine, too bad that it lost two games on time. Regrettably Djinn is still not stable and sometimes hangs, at least on my machines.
Best Regards
Heinz

[Sergio Martinez]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 17:18:45:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 29 January 2004 17:01:51:

Hello Sergio,
wow, I can confirm that Antonio improved a lot over version 1.22. But finishing in front of strong Gothmog 0.4.3 is anyway a surprise. Djinn is also a fine engine, too bad that it lost two games on time. Regrettably Djinn is still not stable and sometimes hangs, at least on my machines.
Best Regards
Heinz

Hi Heinz
Yep.Antonio has improved much Cerebro.In past versions Cerebro was a good engine in games more slow (30min all game) but in blitz games was a normal engine (about 2300 in slow games and 2100 in blitz games) but last versions are better in rapid games. Gothmog and Djinn are dangerous engines and can beat strong engines in blitz games. Im agreed with you about Djinn, sometimes is not stable (sometimes lost on time and other hangs, like you say).
Best Regards
The rating after tournament of these programs is the following (few games in my rating list so we must waiting for more games to stable it):
Cerebro 2386
Gothmog 2245
Djinn 2222
Rinko 2006
Maronti 1942
Golem 1818

[Dr.WAEL DEEB]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 29 January 2004 17:25:17:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 29 January 2004 17:01:51:

Hello Sergio,
wow, I can confirm that Antonio improved a lot over version 1.22. But finishing in front of strong Gothmog 0.4.3 is anyway a surprise. Djinn is also a fine engine, too bad that it lost two games on time. Regrettably Djinn is still not stable and sometimes hangs, at least on my machines.
Best Regards
Heinz

Hi,
I think that losing on time gives wrong estimate about engine's strength!Not that I am against your results,but in my series of tournaments I don't have results with losing on time!Since I started to use Arena,every 200 games it happens once or twice some engine to lose on time and you'll probably ask me what do I do then?....I repeat the game at once!IMO,losing on time is a bug for the chess engines,a serious one!This is normal in human tournaments,no this not the case in engine-engine tournaments!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

[Sergio Martinez]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 17:52:19:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 29 January 2004 17:25:17:

Hello Sergio,
wow, I can confirm that Antonio improved a lot over version 1.22. But finishing in front of strong Gothmog 0.4.3 is anyway a surprise. Djinn is also a fine engine, too bad that it lost two games on time. Regrettably Djinn is still not stable and sometimes hangs, at least on my machines.
Best Regards
Heinz

Hi,
I think that losing on time gives wrong estimate about engine's strength!Not that I am against your results,but in my series of tournaments I don't have results with losing on time!Since I started to use Arena,every 200 games it happens once or twice some engine to lose on time and you'll probably ask me what do I do then?....I repeat the game at once!IMO,losing on time is a bug for the chess engines,a serious one!This is normal in human tournaments,no this not the case in engine-engine tournaments!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

Hi
I dont add these (bug) games to my rating list.I put the result and I say the problem but in this tourneys there arent problems cause arent tourneys where programs promote or qualify to others. In my case, many times I cant repeat the games cause I dont stay here and when I come back the tournament has ended and I prefer post the tourney and say the problems ocurred in it.I understand you tell me and in other tournaments I arranged (like elimination tournaments)I have repeated some games, but maybe the solution is test first and dont include engines with bugs(unless in tournaments where I cant repeat games or contiunos tournaments) ,there is other way to choose.
Best Regards

[Nicolas Normand]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Nicolas Normand at 29 January 2004 18:05:10:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Dr.WAEL DEEB at 29 January 2004 17:25:17:

Hello Sergio,
wow, I can confirm that Antonio improved a lot over version 1.22. But finishing in front of strong Gothmog 0.4.3 is anyway a surprise. Djinn is also a fine engine, too bad that it lost two games on time. Regrettably Djinn is still not stable and sometimes hangs, at least on my machines.
Best Regards
Heinz

Hi,
I think that losing on time gives wrong estimate about engine's strength!Not that I am against your results,but in my series of tournaments I don't have results with losing on time!Since I started to use Arena,every 200 games it happens once or twice some engine to lose on time and you'll probably ask me what do I do then?....I repeat the game at once!IMO,losing on time is a bug for the chess engines,a serious one!This is normal in human tournaments,no this not the case in engine-engine tournaments!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

hello,
on my tourney there is no win on time too. When this occurs ( somtimes engines hangs ) , i check the gam to see if there is a clear win for one engine or a clear draw ....
If not then i replay the game..
As for Dr.WAEL DEEB , i want to check the engine strength .
It is my choice ...
Regards
Nicolas

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 29 January 2004 18:07:17:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 16:39:56:

Hi Sergio,
Thanks for the results! Gothmog 0.4.3 is not the strongest or most
recent version, though. Version 0.4.5 is clearly better, I think. You
might want to use that one the next time you run a tournament.
Tord

[Sergio Martinez]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 18:11:32:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 29 January 2004 18:07:17:

Hi Sergio,
Thanks for the results! Gothmog 0.4.3 is not the strongest or most
recent version, though. Version 0.4.5 is clearly better, I think. You
might want to use that one the next time you run a tournament.
Tord

Hi Tord
I will use last version in next tournament but I used this cause I wanted to stabilise the strengh of version 0.43 before.
Best Regards

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 29 January 2004 18:14:35:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 18:11:32:

Hi Sergio,
Thanks for the results! Gothmog 0.4.3 is not the strongest or most
recent version, though. Version 0.4.5 is clearly better, I think. You
might want to use that one the next time you run a tournament.
Tord

Hi Tord
I will use last version in next tournament but I used this cause I wanted to stabilise the strengh of version 0.43 before.

Perfectly understandable, considering my very high update frequency. I
promise to slow down in the future.
Tord

[Sergio Martinez]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 18:17:49:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Nicolas Normand at 29 January 2004 18:05:10:

Hello Sergio,
wow, I can confirm that Antonio improved a lot over version 1.22. But finishing in front of strong Gothmog 0.4.3 is anyway a surprise. Djinn is also a fine engine, too bad that it lost two games on time. Regrettably Djinn is still not stable and sometimes hangs, at least on my machines.
Best Regards
Heinz

Hi,
I think that losing on time gives wrong estimate about engine's strength!Not that I am against your results,but in my series of tournaments I don't have results with losing on time!Since I started to use Arena,every 200 games it happens once or twice some engine to lose on time and you'll probably ask me what do I do then?....I repeat the game at once!IMO,losing on time is a bug for the chess engines,a serious one!This is normal in human tournaments,no this not the case in engine-engine tournaments!
Regards,
Dr.WAEL DEEB

hello,
on my tourney there is no win on time too. When this occurs ( somtimes engines hangs ) , i check the gam to see if there is a clear win for one engine or a clear draw ....
If not then i replay the game..
As for Dr.WAEL DEEB , i want to check the engine strength .
It is my choice ...
Regards
Nicolas

Hi Nicoles
Im agreed with you and Dr.WAEL DEEB, in fact in my next tournament if it happens I will repeat the game(I repeated games in my elimination tournament), but I prefer in minor tournaments post and say it(in this way, maybe I could help something to author). We are agreed all
Best Regards

[Jose Carlos]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Jose Carlos at 29 January 2004 18:45:36:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 16:41:07:

Djinn lost on time two games:
{1-0 Negras pierde por tiempo}

23.Rd7 Bxb2 24.Rxb7 Bc3 25.Bb6 Rea8 {0-1 Blancas pierde por tiempo}
31.Nge1
Sergio, there's a bug in Arena. I can't confirm this is the case 'cause I'm at work now, but I've observed that in SAN mode it sometimes sends the move to the engine with redundant origin square. For example Nge1 when only one knight can go to e1, and thus the correct SAN is Ne1.
Djinn then gets confused and refuses the move as illegal, and loses on time.
José C.

[Tom Likens]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tom Likens at 29 January 2004 21:25:55:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Sergio Martinez at 29 January 2004 17:18:45:

Hello Sergio,
wow, I can confirm that Antonio improved a lot over version 1.22. But finishing in front of strong Gothmog 0.4.3 is anyway a surprise. Djinn is also a fine engine, too bad that it lost two games on time. Regrettably Djinn is still not stable and sometimes hangs, at least on my machines.
Best Regards
Heinz

Hi Heinz
Yep.Antonio has improved much Cerebro.In past versions Cerebro was a good engine in games more slow (30min all game) but in blitz games was a normal engine (about 2300 in slow games and 2100 in blitz games) but last versions are better in rapid games. Gothmog and Djinn are dangerous engines and can beat strong engines in blitz games. Im agreed with you about Djinn, sometimes is not stable (sometimes lost on time and other hangs, like you say).
Best Regards
The rating after tournament of these programs is the following (few games in my rating list so we must waiting for more games to stable it):
Cerebro 2386
Gothmog 2245
Djinn 2222
Rinko 2006
Maronti 1942
Golem 1818

Hey Guys,
Thanks for the compliments, it's alway gratifying to have someone else enjoy your efforts.
Sorry, for the problems. Work has been really *really* crazy lately, but regardless I still
want to improve the engine (especially high on the list are bug fixes). If you have any of
the log files for the games Djinn lost on time (or if it hung) I would love to obtain them.
You can email them to me at:
tlikens@charter.net
and I'll try and fix the problems you both encountered. Eventually, I want the engine
to have a reputation for being both strong and stable, but I'd be satisfied with "stable" at
least for the short term.
regards,
--tom

[Tom Likens]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tom Likens at 29 January 2004 21:28:55:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Bug in Arena geschrieben von: / posted by: Jose Carlos at 29 January 2004 18:45:36:

Djinn lost on time two games:
{1-0 Negras pierde por tiempo}

23.Rd7 Bxb2 24.Rxb7 Bc3 25.Bb6 Rea8 {0-1 Blancas pierde por tiempo}
31.Nge1
Sergio, there's a bug in Arena. I can't confirm this is the case 'cause I'm at work now, but I've observed that in SAN mode it sometimes sends the move to the engine with redundant origin square. For example Nge1 when only one knight can go to e1, and thus the correct SAN is Ne1.
Djinn then gets confused and refuses the move as illegal, and loses on time.
José C.

Man, whoever programmed Djinn better get their act together!!
regards,
--tom

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 29 January 2004 22:38:07:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: RR Tourney:Cerebro 1.23 wins geschrieben von: / posted by: Tom Likens at 29 January 2004 21:25:55:

Hey Guys,
Thanks for the compliments, it's alway gratifying to have someone else enjoy your efforts.
Sorry, for the problems. Work has been really *really* crazy lately, but regardless I still
want to improve the engine (especially high on the list are bug fixes). If you have any of
the log files for the games Djinn lost on time (or if it hung) I would love to obtain them.
You can email them to me at:
tlikens@charter.net
and I'll try and fix the problems you both encountered. Eventually, I want the engine
to have a reputation for being both strong and stable, but I'd be satisfied with "stable" at
least for the short term.
regards,
--tom

Hello Tom,
thanks that you made public your strong engine. I am sending you the logfiles in a few minutes. Will do some comments.
For me the problem was mainly after the game, when it had to play games subsequently in gauntlets. I got a message: "Djinn could not load". When closing Fritz GUI and opening it once again, it was able to proceed. Depending on the machine I used I got this message more or less frequently, but at least every five games. It is not a prob of the GUI, as I can practically ran all other engines without probs.
There was a posting concerning this earlier and it does not occur that often than with former versions of Djinn. (815 and 808). There was also a hint given to avoid this, to change something in the djinn.rc file. I remember that I did the change, whatever it was, but it did not really help.
I hope you can fix that and I that I can soon add Djinn to my tournaments again.
Best Regards
Heinz

[Tom Likens]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tom Likens at 29 January 2004 22:52:06:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: logfiles geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 29 January 2004 22:38:07: