Nunn Elite updated, Pyramid challenge list

[Vladimir Medvedev]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Vladimir Medvedev at 11 March 2004 09:04:10:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Pyramid challenge list geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 10 March 2004 18:41:46:

Hi ,
and here is the challenge list for the Pyramid. No deadline this time, I will just start as soon as there are 20 challenges at least. Till I got them the Pyramid is paused.
Best Regards
Heinz
01 Kaissa
02 Smar Think
03 List
04 Ruffian
05 Slow Chess
06 Thinker
07 SOS for Arena
08 Crafty
09 Ktulu
10 The Baron
11 El Chinito
12 Green Light Chess
13 Aristarch
14 Pepito
15 Little Goliath
16 Anaconda
17 Yace
18 Gandalf
19 WildCat
20 Amyan
21 AnMon
22 Tao 22
23 Dragon
24 LambChop
25 Amy
26 Abrok
27 Movei
28 Ikarus
29 Delfi
30 PostModernist
31 Knight Dreamer
32 Comet
33 King of Kings
34 Cerebro
35 Frenzee
36 Amateur
37 Patzer
38 Betsy
39 Gothmog
40 Leila
41 The Crazy Bishop
42 Quark
43 Bringer
44 Francesca
45 Nejmet
46 Arasan
47 Djinn 47
48 Resp
49 Terra
50 Chispa---defends against Snitch
51 Trace
52 Dan Chess
53 Queen
54 Nullmover
55 Beowulf
56 Esc
57 Chezzz
58 Greko
59 Snitch---challenges Chispa
60 Averno
61 GnuChess
62 Horizon
63 Ufim
64 KnightX
65 The Butcher
66 Tytan
67 BigLion
68 Scidlet
69 Lord King
70 Dorky---defends against Cheetah
71 Black Bishop
72 Waster
73 Bestia
74 Madeleine
75 Sunsetter
76 Genesis
77 CyberPagno
78 Gaviota
79 RDChess---defends against Eeyore
80 Cheetah---challenges Dorky
81 GK
82 Olithink
83 Hermann
84 Matheus
85 Tinker
86 Eeyore---challenges RDChess
87 Thors Hammer
88 Chiron
89 Bodo
90 Merlin
91 Naga Skaki
92 Ax
93 Asterisk
94 Drunken Master 94
95 DelphiMax
96 Small Potato
97 Sharper
98 Boot
99 Gullydeckel
100 Fruit

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 11 March 2004 09:48:18:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Bestia - BigLion (n/t) geschrieben von: / posted by: Lyapko George at 11 March 2004 08:17:31:

Hello George,
please choose other opponent. BigLion is already challenged by Waster. We already have 18 challenges and I will start the next cycle tomorrow.
Best Regards
Heinz

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 11 March 2004 09:54:50:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Pyramid challenge list geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 10 March 2004 18:41:46:

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 11 March 2004 10:35:36:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: unchallengeable Big Lion ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Matthias Gemuh at 11 March 2004 09:32:14:

I think Heinz should protect BigLion, by declaring him unchallengeable .

Yeah. Lions are protected animals, and killing them is illegal.
Tord

[Fabien Letouzey]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 11 March 2004 10:41:35:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Pyramid challenge list geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 10 March 2004 18:41:46:

90 Merlin
91 Naga Skaki
92 Ax
93 Asterisk
94 Drunken Master 94
95 DelphiMax
96 Small Potato
97 Sharper
98 Boot
99 Gullydeckel
100 Fruit

Fruit does not like 3-digit numbers
Fabien.

[Daniel Shawul]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Daniel Shawul at 11 March 2004 10:49:13:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Pyramid challenge list geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 10 March 2004 18:41:46:

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 11 March 2004 12:38:52:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Fruit challenges Merlin geschrieben von: / posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 11 March 2004 10:41:35:

90 Merlin
91 Naga Skaki
92 Ax
93 Asterisk
94 Drunken Master 94
95 DelphiMax
96 Small Potato
97 Sharper
98 Boot
99 Gullydeckel
100 Fruit

Fruit does not like 3-digit numbers
Fabien.

Hello Fabien,
fine that you want to participate. Game will be 40 moves in 10 minutes and as soon as you have a match involving a top 50 engine or Fruit is in the top 50 it will be 40 moves in 20 minutes.
Yesterday I played with Fruit 0.98a against Nullmover, Ufim, Cerebro, Djinn and Amateur 2.78 and this version got 10 points out of 16.
So I decided to add Fruit 0.98b together with Amateur 2.80 to the strong Nunn Top tournament where of course it will have to suffer a bit. But it defends decently so far and for a "new" engine it is simply sensational. Results for all with position one in a few hours. Position two probably this evening. Those are only "dully" Blitz games, but on fast hardware and 680 games for each engine, so that we have at least something statistically meaningful when comparing with future versions. On the other hand Blitz games from top amateur engines are already on a level today we could only dream of years ago and often there are very nice games. And another thing: watch the move chosen in Blitz and then run the same position for minutes. What do you think how often this move is identical?
I also like to watch long tournament games, but to have significant results here, you would have to concentrate on a few Elite engines like Shredder, Hiarcs, Junior, Fritz, Ruffian and Chessmaster. It is just boring to discuss all this over and over again. So I think we should let everyone do something useful to add and not discriminate methods other testers are using. I like all the many different tests and visit all sites regularly.
Best Regards
Heinz

[Matthias Gemuh]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Matthias Gemuh at 11 March 2004 13:18:45:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: unchallengeable Big Lion ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 11 March 2004 10:35:36:

I think Heinz should protect BigLion, by declaring him unchallengeable .

Yeah. Lions are protected animals, and killing them is illegal.
Tord

Thanks, Tord !
Geoff and Heinz certainly know this thing about endangered species .
/Matthias


BigLion + Taktix

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 11 March 2004 13:44:12:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: unchallengeable Big Lion ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 11 March 2004 10:35:36:

I think Heinz should protect BigLion, by declaring him unchallengeable .

Yeah. Lions are protected animals, and killing them is illegal.
Tord

Unfortunately some programs have bugs that cuase them to play illegal moves including killing lions.
Uri

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 11 March 2004 13:53:54:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: unchallengeable Big Lion ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Matthias Gemuh at 11 March 2004 13:18:45:

I think Heinz should protect BigLion, by declaring him unchallengeable .

Yeah. Lions are protected animals, and killing them is illegal.
Tord

Thanks, Tord !
Geoff and Heinz certainly know this thing about endangered species .
/Matthias

Hi Matthias ,
yes, I am just considering to modify the rules so that all lions are able to climb to the pole position without being molested by other envious species. But there seems to be another rule in this wild world: "eat and get eaten".
So I suppose that you have no other choice than improving your king of all (chess) animals that much that any challenge would be ridiculous .
Best Regards
Heinz

[Matthias Gemuh]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Matthias Gemuh at 11 March 2004 14:01:42:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: unchallengeable Big Lion ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 11 March 2004 13:44:12:

I think Heinz should protect BigLion, by declaring him unchallengeable .

Yeah. Lions are protected animals, and killing them is illegal.
Tord

Unfortunately some programs have bugs that cuase them to play illegal moves including killing lions.
Uri

I hope all Waster's moves shall be legal .
/Matthias.


BigLion + Taktix

[Matthias Gemuh]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Matthias Gemuh at 11 March 2004 14:07:37:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: unchallengeable Big Lion ? geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 11 March 2004 13:53:54:

So I suppose that you have no other choice than improving your king of all (chess) animals that much that any challenge would be ridiculous .

I am doing just that !!
/Matthias.


BigLion + Taktix

[Fabien Letouzey]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 11 March 2004 14:12:01:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: thanks geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 11 March 2004 12:38:52:

Yesterday I played with Fruit 0.98a against Nullmover, Ufim, Cerebro, Djinn and Amateur 2.78 and this version got 10 points out of 16.
So I decided to add Fruit 0.98b together with Amateur 2.80 to the strong Nunn Top tournament where of course it will have to suffer a bit. But it defends decently so far and for a "new" engine it is simply sensational. Results for all with position one in a few hours. Position two probably this evening. Those are only "dully" Blitz games, but on fast hardware and 680 games for each engine, so that we have at least something statistically meaningful when comparing with future versions.

Don't worry about versions before 1.0, they will all play exactly the same chess. I am adding UCI features, and want to test those. For chess games in which the result "matters", I recommend you just stick with whatever version (0.98b in your case).
I expect to have a last beta version just before the week-end with search options that can be modified by the user. If it works fine, it will be called 1.0 and released (and I will have a break).
Fabien.

[Andrew Williams]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Andrew Williams at 11 March 2004 15:00:52:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Pyramid challenge list geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 10 March 2004 18:41:46:

Hi Heinz
PostModernist challenges Lambchop
Andrew

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 11 March 2004 15:15:05:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: PostModernist challenges Lambchop geschrieben von: / posted by: Andrew Williams at 11 March 2004 15:00:52:

Hi Heinz
PostModernist challenges Lambchop
Andrew

Hi Andrew,
LambChop is already challenged by Cerebro via email (see my website). You will certainly find another victim .
Best Regards
Heinz

[Fabien Letouzey]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 11 March 2004 16:14:48:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Pyramid challenge list geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 10 March 2004 18:41:46:

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 11 March 2004 16:25:30:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Where can we see the results? (n/t) geschrieben von: / posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 11 March 2004 16:14:48:

Hello Fabien,
here under Pyramid. (next cycle with Fruit starts tomorrow)
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/pyramid.htm

The results for the long Nunn Top Tournament will be posted here in about one hour. Last games are in progress.
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/standings.htm
and you can download the games of course here:
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/downloads.htm
Best Regards
Heinz

[Lyapko George]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Lyapko George at 11 March 2004 17:40:44:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Pyramid challenge list geschrieben von: / posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 10 March 2004 18:41:46: