UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine

[Alex Schmidt]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Alex Schmidt at 15 March 2004 22:20:54:

Hi,
here is one more nice kingside attack by Gothmog:
[Event "UCI League C-3"]
[Site "Stuttgart"]
[Date "2004.03.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.6"]
[Black "Madeleine 0.2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B25"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Time "normal"]
[Variation "Grand Prix Attack"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]
[Comment "Weiss gibt auf"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.g3 d6 6.Bg2 e5 7.d3 Nge7 8.O-O O-O 9.Be3
exf4 10.Bxf4 a5 11.Qd2 Nd4 12.Bh6 Nxf3+ 13.Rxf3 Bd4+ 14.Kh1 Re8 15.Bg5 Be6 16.Bf6
Qb6 17.Rb1 a4 18.Qg5 Nc6 19.e5 Bxe5 20.Ne4 Bxf6 21.Nxf6+ Kg7 22.Nh5+ Kf8 23.Qh6+
Ke7 24.Nf6 Ne5 25.Rf4 Reh8 26.Bd5 Qa5 27.Bxe6 Kxe6 28.Rbf1 Qb5 29.c4 Qa5 30.Nd5 Kd7
31.R4xf7+ Nxf7 32.Rxf7+ Kc6 33.Qg7 Rhc8 34.Ne7+ Kb6 35.Nxc8+ Ka6 36.Nxd6 Rb8 37.Rf6 Ka7
38.Nb5+ Ka8 39.Qe7 Rc8 40.Rf8 Qe1+ 41.Qxe1 Rxf8 {Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0

Gothmog 0.4.6 vs. Madeleine 0.2
r3r1k1/1p3p1p/1qnpbBp1/2p3Q1/p2bP3/2NP1RP1/PPP3BP/1R5K w - - 2 19 a b c d e f g h 8 8 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 a b c d e f g h generated with GenDiag 1.8 (C) 2002 by Andreas Herrmann
Gothmog starts hunting the black king with the nice 19.e5!


Best,
Alex



UCI League C-3

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 15 March 2004 22:55:38:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Alex Schmidt at 15 March 2004 22:20:54:

Hi,
here is one more nice kingside attack by Gothmog:
[Event "UCI League C-3"]
[Site "Stuttgart"]
[Date "2004.03.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.6"]
[Black "Madeleine 0.2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B25"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Time "normal"]
[Variation "Grand Prix Attack"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]
[Comment "Weiss gibt auf"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.g3 d6 6.Bg2 e5 7.d3 Nge7 8.O-O O-O 9.Be3
exf4 10.Bxf4 a5 11.Qd2 Nd4 12.Bh6 Nxf3+ 13.Rxf3 Bd4+ 14.Kh1 Re8 15.Bg5 Be6 16.Bf6
Qb6 17.Rb1 a4 18.Qg5 Nc6 19.e5 Bxe5 20.Ne4 Bxf6 21.Nxf6+ Kg7 22.Nh5+ Kf8 23.Qh6+
Ke7 24.Nf6 Ne5 25.Rf4 Reh8 26.Bd5 Qa5 27.Bxe6 Kxe6 28.Rbf1 Qb5 29.c4 Qa5 30.Nd5 Kd7
31.R4xf7+ Nxf7 32.Rxf7+ Kc6 33.Qg7 Rhc8 34.Ne7+ Kb6 35.Nxc8+ Ka6 36.Nxd6 Rb8 37.Rf6 Ka7
38.Nb5+ Ka8 39.Qe7 Rc8 40.Rf8 Qe1+ 41.Qxe1 Rxf8 {Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0

Interesting game, but is the pawn sacrifice 19. e5 really sound? I no
longer understand most of the games my engine play, but in this case
it seems to me that white does not have sufficient compensation, and
that black must have made some mistake later in the game ...
Tord

[Alex Schmidt]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Alex Schmidt at 15 March 2004 23:33:53:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 15 March 2004 22:55:38:

Hi,

Interesting game, but is the pawn sacrifice 19. e5 really sound?

I think so because there is no secure place for the black king anymore and (and because Shredder plays it too )
Of course the position is too complicated (for me) to be absolutely sure but the the sacrifice looks really nice for me!
Best,
Alex

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 14:41:45:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Alex Schmidt at 15 March 2004 23:33:53:

Hi,

Interesting game, but is the pawn sacrifice 19. e5 really sound?

I think so because there is no secure place for the black king anymore and (and because Shredder plays it too )
Of course the position is too complicated (for me) to be absolutely sure but the the sacrifice looks really nice for me!

At least it is interesting, but I am not entirely convinced. Do other amateur
engines like 19. e5? The position:
r3r1k1/1p3p1p/1qnpbBp1/2p3Q1/p2bP3/2NP1RP1/PPP3BP/1R5K w - - 2 19
The exchange sacrifice in today's game against Abrok looks even more dubious.
Gothmog should probably have lost the game, but was lucky this time.
Tord

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 16 March 2004 14:55:18:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 14:41:45:

Hi,

Interesting game, but is the pawn sacrifice 19. e5 really sound?

I think so because there is no secure place for the black king anymore and (and because Shredder plays it too )
Of course the position is too complicated (for me) to be absolutely sure but the the sacrifice looks really nice for me!

At least it is interesting, but I am not entirely convinced. Do other amateur
engines like 19. e5? The position:
r3r1k1/1p3p1p/1qnpbBp1/2p3Q1/p2bP3/2NP1RP1/PPP3BP/1R5K w - - 2 19

Yes
Movei has score of 0.09 pawns against white before failing high on e5 at iteration 9 after few seconds of search.
score is 0.61 pawns for white at iteration 9 and
score continues to be positive later:
0.70/10
0.75/11
0.72/12

Uri

[Alex Schmidt]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Alex Schmidt at 16 March 2004 17:30:16:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 14:41:45:

Hello Tord,

The exchange sacrifice in today's game against Abrok looks even more dubious.
Gothmog should probably have lost the game, but was lucky this time.

Gothmog 0.4.6 vs. Abrok 5.0
r1bqk2r/pppn1ppp/2n5/4P3/1bBp4/5N2/PP1N1PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - 1 9 a b c d e f g h 8 8 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 a b c d e f g h generated with GenDiag 1.8 (C) 2002 by Andreas Herrmann
 Gothmog played 9.Bb5?!

This is a very interesting position! Some engines would play 9.e6!? with a great attack but a pawn behind. Gothmog shows after a few seconds the exchange in it's pv:
Gothmog 0.4.6 UCI:
.
.
11+ 00:14 -0,25 Lc4b5 00 Lb5xc6 b7xc6 Sd2b3 Lc8a6 Sb3xd4 La6xf1 Sd4xc6
11- 00:25 0,03 Lc4b5 00 Lb5xc6 b7xc6 Sd2b3 Lc8a6 Sb3xd4 La6xf1 Sd4xc6
I think the exchange isn't too bad, Gothmog gets a bishop and the free pawn for it's rook, black gets a nasty doubled pawn.

Gothmog 0.4.6 vs. Abrok 5.0
r1bq1rk1/p1pn1ppp/2p5/4P3/1b1p4/5N2/PP1N1PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - 0 11 a b c d e f g h 8 8 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 a b c d e f g h generated with GenDiag 1.8 (C) 2002 by Andreas Herrmann
 Position after 10... bxc6

At this point some engines would play 11. Nc4. I think Gothmogs 11. Nb3 is the better choice here.


After the exchange the position looks quite good, Gothmog has very active play but there is no real winning line:
Gothmog 0.4.6 vs. Abrok 5.0
rn1q1rk1/p1p2ppp/2p5/1b2P1B1/1Q1N4/5N2/PP3PPP/R5K1 b - - 2 15 a b c d e f g h 8 8 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 a b c d e f g h generated with GenDiag 1.8 (C) 2002 by Andreas Herrmann 
Position after 15. Bg5

At the end Gothmog was really a bit lucky...
But: That's why we all love your engine! I hope you don't teach Gothmog to play more passive in the future

Best,
Alex

[Event "UCI League C-3"]
[Site "Stuttgart"]
[Date "2004.03.16"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Gothmog 0.4.6"]
[Black "Abrok 5.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D20/31"]
[Opening "QGA"]
[Time "normal"]
[Variation "3.e4 e5"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]
[Comment "Matt"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "224"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 e5 4.Nf3 exd4 5.Bxc4 Bb4+ 6.Nbd2 Nc6 7.O-O Nf6 8.e5 Nd7
9.Bb5 O-O 10.Bxc6 bxc6 11.Nb3 Ba6 12.Nbxd4 Nb8 13.Qb3 Bxf1 14.Qxb4 Bb5 15.Bg5 Qd7
16.Qb3 Re8 17.Rd1 Ba6 18.Qc2 h6 19.Be3 Qd5 20.b3 c5 21.Ne2 Qc6 22.Nf4 Nd7 23.e6 fxe6
24.Nd4 Qb6 25.Ndxe6 Rxe6 26.Rxd7 Rd6 27.Re7 Qc6 28.h4 Rf8 29.h5 Rf7 30.Rxf7 Kxf7
31.Bxc5 Rf6 32.Qc1 Rf5 33.b4 Qe4 34.Be3 Kg8 35.a3 Qc4 36.Qd2 Kh7 37.f3 Bb5 38.Bd4 a5
39.bxa5 c5 40.Be3 Re5 41.Kf2 Qb3 42.Qc1 Bc4 43.Bd2 Rf5 44.g4 Bd5 45.Bc3 Rf7 46.Nxd5
Qxd5 47.Qc2+ Kg8 48.Qe2 Qb3 49.Qe8+ Rf8 50.Qe5 Qf7 51.Qe2 Re8 52.Qd2 Rf8 53.Qd3 Qa2+
54.Bd2 Rf4 55.Qe2 Rf8 56.Bc1 Qf7 57.Bb2 Ra8 58.Qd3 c4 59.Qd4 Rb8 60.a4 Rb3 61.Bc3 Ra3
62.a6 Rxa4 63.Qd6 Ra2+ 64.Kg3 Kh7 65.Bd4 Qe8 66.Kh3 Qf7 67.Qc6 Ra3 68.Kg3 Qe7 69.a7
Ra2 70.Kh3 Qf8 71.Qg6+ Kg8 72.Qe6+ Kh7 73.Qc6 c3 74.Qg6+ Kg8 75.Qe6+ Qf7 76.Qc8+
Qf8 77.Qc4+ Qf7 78.Qxc3 Rxa7 79.Bxa7 Qxa7 80.Qc4+ Kh8 81.Kg3 Qg1+ 82.Kf4 Qh2+
83.Ke4 Qb8 84.Qc6 Qb4+ 85.Ke3 Qe1+ 86.Kd3 Kg8 87.Qd5+ Kf8 88.Qc5+ Kg8 89.Qc8+ Kf7
90.Qc4+ Kf8 91.Qf4+ Kg8 92.Qb8+ Kh7 93.Qb2 g5 94.Qb7+ Kg8 95.Qc8+ Kg7 96.Qc3+ Qxc3+
97.Kxc3 Kf7 98.Kd3 Kf6 99.Kd4 Ke6 100.Ke4 Kf6 101.Kd5 Kf7 102.Kc4 Ke6 103.Kd4 Kf7
104.Kd5 Ke7 105.Ke5 Kf7 106.Kf5 Kg7 107.Ke6 Kf8 108.Kf6 Ke8 109.Kg7 Ke7 110.Kxh6 Kf6
111.Kh7 Kf7 112.h6 Kf6 {Schwarz gibt auf} 1-0

[Jonathan Kreuzer]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Jonathan Kreuzer at 16 March 2004 18:03:06:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 14:41:45:

An excuse to test my new winboard forum password =)
Slow Chess likes e5 after 3.9 seconds on an Athlon 2700. However it doesn't have an attacking PV, the first few moves of the PV are the same as the game, but then it trades its knight for the rook, and likes being material up.
Paste of the Slow Chess PV:
[FEN "r3r1k1/1p3p1p/1qnpbBp1/2p3Q1/p2bP3/2NP1RP1/PPP3BP/1R5K w - -"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. e4-e5 Bd4xe5
2. Nc3-e4 Be5xf6
3. Ne4xf6+ Kg8-g7
4. Nf6xe8+ Ra8xe8
5. Qg5-f6+ Kg7-g8
6. c2-c4 Nc6-e5
7. Rf3-e3
Also interesting is that null-move fails Slow here, and causes it choose e5 at 9 ply instead of 8 ply.

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 16 March 2004 18:12:18:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Jonathan Kreuzer at 16 March 2004 18:03:06:

An excuse to test my new winboard forum password =)
Slow Chess likes e5 after 3.9 seconds on an Athlon 2700. However it doesn't have an attacking PV, the first few moves of the PV are the same as the game, but then it trades its knight for the rook, and likes being material up.
Paste of the Slow Chess PV:
[FEN "r3r1k1/1p3p1p/1qnpbBp1/2p3Q1/p2bP3/2NP1RP1/PPP3BP/1R5K w - -"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. e4-e5 Bd4xe5
2. Nc3-e4 Be5xf6
3. Ne4xf6+ Kg8-g7
4. Nf6xe8+ Ra8xe8
5. Qg5-f6+ Kg7-g8
6. c2-c4 Nc6-e5
7. Rf3-e3
Also interesting is that null-move fails Slow here, and causes it choose e5 at 9 ply instead of 8 ply.

Same for movei
I even did not look at the game.
I thought that the problem is to find e5 and I did not think that there is a problem with later moves.
Uri
I do not understand what you mean.
Did you check that without null move it can find e5 in 8 plies instead of 9 plies?
Uri

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 19:20:04:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 16 March 2004 18:12:18:

An excuse to test my new winboard forum password =)
Slow Chess likes e5 after 3.9 seconds on an Athlon 2700. However it doesn't have an attacking PV, the first few moves of the PV are the same as the game, but then it trades its knight for the rook, and likes being material up.

Same for movei
I even did not look at the game.
I thought that the problem is to find e5 and I did not think that there is a problem with later moves.

I am not sure "find" is the right word. After all, I am not at all sure it
is a good move, but the fact that Shredder, SlowChess and Movei all agree
with Gothmog makes me somewhat more confident that the sacrifice is correct.
Thanks to both of you for your answers!
Tord

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 19:26:20:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Alex Schmidt at 16 March 2004 17:30:16:

Hello Tord,
But: That's why we all love your engine! I hope you don't teach Gothmog to play more passive in the future

Thanks!
I have no plans of making it more passive. The very risky and aggressive
style probably costs a few points, but I still like it and hope to keep it
this way.
Thanks also for the comments to the game, and for running your tournament!
Tournaments at such slow time controls are very rare. I also greatly
appreciate that it is possible to follow the games live.
Tord

[Kurt Utzinger]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 16 March 2004 19:46:08:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 15 March 2004 22:55:38:

I think that the pawn sacrifice is indeed the strongest move in the given
situation. It frees square e4 and allows White to bring the knight to e4
which is almost a winning line.
Kurt
Shredder 8 UCI: (P4 1.8/32 MB hash, Arena 1.0.3)
1 00:00 0.94 Bxd4 Nxd4
2 00:00 0.85 Bxd4 Nxd4 Rf2
3 00:00 0.70 Bxd4 Nxd4 Rf2 f5 exf5 Bxf5
3+ 00:00 0.73 Qh6 c4 dxc4 Bxc3 Bxc3 Bxc4
3+ 00:00 1.11 Qh6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nd4
3 00:00 1.24 Qh6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nd4
4 00:00 1.10 Qh6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nb4 Rf2 Nxa2
5- 00:00 0.85 Qh6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nd4 Rf2 a3 Qf8+ Rxf8
5 00:00 0.80 Qh6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nd4 Rf2 a3 bxa3 Rxa3 Rxb6 Rxc3
5+ 00:00 0.81 Nd5 Bxb2 Nxb6 Bxf6
5 00:00 0.91 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Re6 Bxd4 Nxd4 Rf2
5+ 00:00 0.92 a3 Ne5 Qh6 Bc4 Bxe5 Rxe5
5 00:00 0.92 a3 c4 Rf5 Bxf5 Qxg6+ fxg6
6- 00:00 0.67 a3 c4 Rf5 Bxf5 Qxg6+ fxg6
6 00:00 0.67 a3 c4 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 cxd3 cxd3 Ne5 Bxe5 Bxe5
6+ 00:00 0.68 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Re6 Bxd4 Qb3 cxb3
6+ 00:00 1.03 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Bxb2 Rxb2 Nd4
6 00:00 1.07 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Bxf6 Qxf6 Ne5 Rf4 Qc7
7- 00:00 0.82 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Bxf6 Qxf6 Ne5 Qe6 fxe6 Rf8+ Kxf8
7 00:00 0.70 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Bxf6 Qxf6 Ne5 Rf4 a3 b3 Rad8
7+ 00:00 0.71 a3 c4 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxb2 Rxb2 Qg1+ Kxg1
7+ 00:00 1.06 a3 c4 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxb2 Rxb2 Qg1+ Kxg1
7 00:00 1.06 a3 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qd8 Nd5 Bxd5 Kg1 Qxf6
8 00:00 0.87 a3 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qd8 Qxd8 Rexd8 Rbf1 Nd4 R3f2 b5
8+ 00:00 0.88 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bd5 Qh6 Nb8
8+ 00:01 1.23 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bd5 Qh6 Nb8 Bxe5 dxe5 Nf6+ Kh8
8 00:02 2.32 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Qf6+ Kg8 Rf4 a3 c4 axb2 Rxb2
9 00:02 2.18 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Rf4 Kg8 Rxa4 Nd4 c3 Qb5
10 00:05 1.98 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Qf6+ Kg8 Rf4 a3 Rff1 axb2 Rxb2 Qa6
11 00:08 1.90 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Qf6+ Kg8 a3 Qd8 Rbf1 b5 Qxd8 Nxd8 Kg1 f5
12 00:13 1.90 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Qf6+ Kg8 Rff1 Qd8 Qxd8 Nxd8 Rbe1 f5 Kg1 Kf7
13 00:29 1.87 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Qf6+ Kg8 Rff1 Ne5 Qh4 Qb5 a3 Qc6 Bxc6 Bd5+ Bxd5
14 01:03 1.79 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Qf6+ Kg8 Rff1 Ne5 b3 Qb4 Rf4 Qc3 Rf2 Qb4 a3
15 02:27 1.74 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Qf6+ Kg8 Rff1 Ne5 b3 Qb4 Rf4 Qc3 Rf2 axb3 axb3 b5 Rbf1
16 05:36 1.97 e5 Bxe5 Ne4 Bxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nxe8+ Rxe8 Rf4 Kg8 Rxa4 Nb4 Qd2 Bxa2 Re1 Be6 Qc3

[Alex Schmidt]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Alex Schmidt at 16 March 2004 20:16:22:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 19:26:20:

I also greatly appreciate that it is possible to follow the games live.

finally I found someone who watches the live games
Does it work well for you? Since I updated my browser I sometimes have problems with not loaded board graphics and I can't find the problem... Maybe I should look for another applet.
Alex


Livegame

[Kurt Utzinger]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 16 March 2004 20:38:41:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 16 March 2004 19:46:08:

Position before 19.e5 !!
 abcdefgh  8       8  7       7  6    6  5        5  4       4  3      3  2     2  1        1  abcdefgh ChessDiag V1.01 (12-OCT-2002)r3r1k1/1p3p1p/1qnpbBp1/2p3Q1/p2bP3/2NP1RP1/PPP3BP/1R5K w - - 0 19
[Event "Blitz:1'"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Neue Partie"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r3r1k1/1p3p1p/1qnpbBp1/2p3Q1/p2bP3/2NP1RP1/PPP3BP/1R5K w - - 0 19"]
[PlyCount "23"]
[TimeControl "60"]
19. e5 {A very fine sacrifice: threatening Qh6 and mate and freeing the
important square e4 for white's knight} Bxe5 {forced} 20. Ne4 Bxf6 {
again the only move} 21. Nxf6+ Kg7 (21... Kh8 22. Qh6 Bxa2 23. Qxh7#) (21...
Kf8 22. Bh3 Qa5 (22... Bxh3 23. Qh6+ Ke7 24. Nd5+ Kd8 25. Nxb6 {
winning black's queen}) 23. Qh6+ Ke7 24. Bxe6 Ne5 (24... fxe6 25. Qxh7+ Kd8 26.
Qd7#) (24... Kxe6 25. Qh3+ Ke7 26. Qd7+ Kf8 27. Nxe8) 25. Bxf7 Nxf7 26. Qg7 d5
27. Re3+ Kd6 28. Qxf7 {with a won position}) 22. Nh5+ Kg8 (22... Kh8 23. Qf6+
Kg8 24. Qg7#) (22... Kf8 23. Qh6+ Ke7) 23. Rf4 Bxa2 (23... Rf8 24. Nf6+ Kg7 25.
Rbf1 $18) (23... Red8 24. Qh6 gxh5 25. Be4 $18) (23... f5 24. Nf6+ Kf7 (24...
Kg7 25. Rh4 Rh8 26. Nh5+ Kg8 27. Qf6 $18) 25. Nxh7 Qd8 26. Qh6 Qe7 27. g4 $18)
24. Nf6+ Kg7 25. Nxe8+ Rxe8 26. Qf6+ Kg8 27. b3 Ne5 (27... Qc7 28. Bd5 Nd8 29.
Ra1 axb3 30. cxb3 Bxb3 31. Bxb3 $18) 28. Bd5 Qc7 29. Re1 Rf8 30. Rxa4 $18 1-0

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 21:10:05:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Alex Schmidt at 16 March 2004 20:16:22:

I also greatly appreciate that it is possible to follow the games live.

finally I found someone who watches the live games
Does it work well for you? Since I updated my browser I sometimes have problems with not loaded board graphics and I can't find the problem... Maybe I should look for another applet.

I am sure I am not the only one.
It works perfectly in Mozilla on the Linux box in my office. It does not work at
all (no board appears) in the Safari Web browser on my Macintosh PowerBook.
Tord

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 21:10:57:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Some analyses geschrieben von: / posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 16 March 2004 20:38:41:

[Kurt Utzinger]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 16 March 2004 21:14:19:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Thanks for the analysis, Kurt! (n/t) geschrieben von: / posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 21:10:57:

Hi Tom
I very much like your engine with its very aggressive style.
Kurt

[Tord Romstad]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tord Romstad at 16 March 2004 21:29:21:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Thanks for the analysis, Kurt! geschrieben von: / posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 16 March 2004 21:14:19:

Hi Tom
I very much like your engine with its very aggressive style.

Thanks, Kurt!
There will probably be a new, less buggy and slightly stronger version tomorrow.
And by the way, my name is not Tom, but Tord. You are not the first person
to make that mistake.
Tord

[Jonathan Kreuzer]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Jonathan Kreuzer at 16 March 2004 21:37:43:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: UCI League: Gothmog vs. Madeleine geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 16 March 2004 18:12:18:

I thought that the problem is to find e5 and I did not think that there is a problem with later moves.
I do not understand what you mean.
Did you check that without null move it can find e5 in 8 plies instead of 9 plies?

I gave Slow's NxR line as more info for Tord. I think because of the option of gaining material e5 must be a good move here. (I have no idea if Gothmog's Nh5+ is better or worse than NxR.)
I once wrote code to find if null-move changed the result of the search, it was similar to retesting with null-move off except it tried to output more info about where null-move failed. (It is a menu option, although I didn't put this option into the released version.) I was planning to use the information to try to search better, and I still think that it could help, but I decided I didn't want to spend the time that was probably needed to add and test more search rules.

[Roger Brown]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Roger Brown at 16 March 2004 22:14:40:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Thanks for the analysis, Kurt! geschrieben von: / posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 16 March 2004 21:14:19:

Hi Tom
I very much like your engine with its very aggressive style.
Kurt

Hello Kurt,
Thanks for the analysis.
Do not compliment Tord. You will get him all blushing and stuff....
Later.