Ktulu Chess by Rahman Paidar

[Tim Mann]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Tim Mann at 05 April 2003 09:17:38:

Rahman Paidar just sent me mail about a new chess engine he's written.
You can get it from his web page:
http://rahman85.tripod.com/rahman.html

[Ed Seid]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Ed Seid at 05 April 2003 09:46:44:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Ktulu Chess by Rahman Paidar geschrieben von: / posted by: Tim Mann at 05 April 2003 09:17:38:

I think it is.

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 05 April 2003 10:21:12:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: 1st WB engine from Iran? geschrieben von: / posted by: Ed Seid at 05 April 2003 09:46:44:

I think it is.

I agree. Unfortunately the engine doesn't run here (W2k, 2GHz). Bug report send to the author.
Volker

[Leo Dijksman]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Leo Dijksman at 05 April 2003 10:33:31:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 05 April 2003 10:21:12:

I think it is.

I agree. Unfortunately the engine doesn't run here (W2k, 2GHz). Bug report send to the author.
Volker

It seems to run fine here (win2000Pro), the problem can be the popup when it starts and Ponder=on by default?
Best wishes,
Leo.


WBEC-Ridderkerk homepage.

[Kurt Utzinger]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 05 April 2003 12:16:12:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? geschrieben von: / posted by: Leo Dijksman at 05 April 2003 10:33:31:

I think it is.

I agree. Unfortunately the engine doesn't run here (W2k, 2GHz). Bug report send to the author.
Volker

It seems to run fine here (win2000Pro), the problem can be the popup when it starts and Ponder=on by default?
Best wishes,
Leo.

The engine runs fine at me under Win98 SE. Disturbing thing is only the popup when starting.
Kurt

[Olivier Deville]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Olivier Deville at 05 April 2003 12:42:30:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? geschrieben von: / posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 05 April 2003 12:16:12:

I think it is.

I agree. Unfortunately the engine doesn't run here (W2k, 2GHz). Bug report send to the author.
Volker

It seems to run fine here (win2000Pro), the problem can be the popup when it starts and Ponder=on by default?
Best wishes,
Leo.

The engine runs fine at me under Win98 SE. Disturbing thing is only the popup when starting.
Kurt

Here it doesn't work with Fritz7 GUI and W98 SE.

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 05 April 2003 13:23:29:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? geschrieben von: / posted by: Kurt Utzinger at 05 April 2003 12:16:12:

...

The engine runs fine at me under Win98 SE. Disturbing thing is only the popup when starting.

Hm it runs when I start it at the dos prompt but no chance with WB.
Volker


recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
WinBoard 4.2.6 + Ktulu
Reset(1, 0) from gameMode 0
recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
GameEnds(0, (null), 2)
StartChildProcess (dir="d:\Schach\Engines\ktulu") Ktulu
563 >first : xboard
protover 2
563 <first : 
563 <first :    *************************************************************************
563 <first :    * Ktulu version 3.2 Copyright (C) 2002-2003 by Rahman Paidar.           *
563 <first :    * No part of this program may be sold for earning purposes but copying  *
563 <first :    * and distribute it without fee is allowed.                             *
563 <first :    * Website: http://rahman85.tripod.com/rahman.html                       *
563 <first :    * Email: rpn_mail@yahoo.com                                             *
563 <first :    *************************************************************************
563 <first : 
563 <first : Pawn Hash : 3MB
563 <first : Hash tables: 4MB
563 <first : Hash tables: 2MB
563 <first : feature done=1
563 >first : accepted done
563 <first : telluser Ktulu version 3.2, Engine by Rahman Paidar,Winboard by Tim Mann
578 >first : new
random
578 >first : level 0 5 0
578 >first : post
578 >first : hard
578 >first : easy
Fatal Error: Error: first chess program (Ktulu) exited unexpectedly
GameEnds(0, (null), 2)
20172 >first : force
20172 >first : quit

[Leo Dijksman]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Leo Dijksman at 05 April 2003 14:29:14:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? -debug- geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 05 April 2003 13:23:29:

...

The engine runs fine at me under Win98 SE. Disturbing thing is only the popup when starting.

Hm it runs when I start it at the dos prompt but no chance with WB.
Volker

Hi Volker,
I reproduced "your" error, it seems the time level command.
If I set 5 minutes game I get the same as you got, 40/5 which I used works fine!
Leo.
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "ATHLON_1400"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Ktulu32"]
[Black "GNU Chess 5.05aTE"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Bd3 c5 4. e5 Nd5 5. Nf3 Qa5+ 6. Bd2 Qc7 7. c4 Nb6 8.
Nc3 cxd4 9. Nb5 Qd8 10. O-O Be7 11. a4 a5 12. Qe2 d5 13. exd6 Bxd6 14. Qe4
Be7 15. Nbxd4 N6d7 16. Bc2 Nc5 17. Qe5 O-O 18. Qh5 f5 19. Rfe1 Nbd7 20.
Rad1 Nf6 21. Qh3 Nce4 22. b3 Bc5 23. Bf4 Qb6 24. Qh4 Nc3 25. Rd3 Nce4 26.
Rdd1 Nc3 27. Rd3 Nce4 28. h3 g5 29. Bxg5 e5 30. Bxf6 Rxf6 31. Nxe5 Rh6 32.
Qf4 Bxd4 33. Rxd4 Qxd4 34. Bxe4 Qd6 35. Qg5+ Rg6 36. Bd5+ Kg7 37. Nxg6 Qxg6
38. Qe7+ Kh6 39. Bf7 Qg5 40. Qf8+ Qg7 41. Qd6+ Qg6 42. Bxg6 Ra6 43. Qf8+
Kxg6 44. Qxc8 Kf6 45. Qf8+ Kg6 46. f4 Rd6 47. Qg8+ Kf6 48. Qg5+ Kf7 49.
Re7+ Kf8 50. Qg7#
{computer loses as black} 1-0



WBEC-Ridderkerk homepage.

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 14:29:25:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? -debug- geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 05 April 2003 13:23:29:

...

The engine runs fine at me under Win98 SE. Disturbing thing is only the popup when starting.

Hm it runs when I start it at the dos prompt but no chance with WB.
Volker


recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
WinBoard 4.2.6 + Ktulu
Reset(1, 0) from gameMode 0
recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
GameEnds(0, (null), 2)
StartChildProcess (dir="d:\Schach\Engines\ktulu") Ktulu
563 >first : xboard
protover 2
563 563 563 563 563 563 563 563 563 563 563 563 563 563 >first : accepted done
563 578 >first : new
random
578 >first : level 0 5 0

it seems that the engine does not support fisher time control
It is similiar to list4.61 except the fact that this engine does not know not to ponder when list does not know to ponder.
some results of it:
1.5-.5 against movei00_8042 at 5 minutes/40 moves ponder on.
Uri

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 14:49:15:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? -debug- geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 14:29:25:

...

The engine runs fine at me under Win98 SE. Disturbing thing is only the popup when starting.

Hm it runs when I start it at the dos prompt but no chance with WB.
Volker


recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
WinBoard 4.2.6 + Ktulu
Reset(1, 0) from gameMode 0
recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
GameEnds(0, (null), 2)
StartChildProcess (dir="d:\Schach\Engines\ktulu") Ktulu
563 >first : xboard
protover 2
563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >563 >first : accepted done
563 >578 >first : new
random
578 >first : level 0 5 0

it seems that the engine does not support fisher time control
It is similiar to list4.61 except the fact that this engine does not know not to ponder when list does not know to ponder.
some results of it:
1.5-.5 against movei00_8042 at 5 minutes/40 moves ponder on.
Uri

Now 1.5-1.5
I am not going to play more games with it today
In the last game it seems that ktulu suffered from a bug because it evaluated 0.00 in the beginning of KRBP vs KB that was a clearly won position for movei
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "movei00_8042"]
[Black "ktulu"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Bg5 Bg7 7. Bb5+ Bd7
8. O-O h6 9. Bxf6 Bxf6 10. Nd5 Bg7 11. Bxd7+ Nxd7 12. Re1 O-O 13. c3 e6 14.
Ne3 Nc5 15. f3 Qg5 16. Rc1 Be5 17. g3 Rad8 18. b4 Bf4 19. Ndc2 Na6 20. Kh1
Bxe3 21. Nxe3 Qf6 22. Rf1 Qe5 23. Nc4 Qf6 24. Na5 Qe7 25. Qd2 Kh7 26. Qd4
Ra8 27. f4 Rfd8 28. f5 exf5 29. exf5 Qc7 30. Qd5 Rd7 31. h4 Rc8 32. g4 Re8
33. fxg6+ fxg6 34. h5 gxh5 35. Qxh5 Re5 36. Qh3 Rde7 37. Rf6 Re1+ 38. Rxe1
Rxe1+ 39. Kg2 Re2+ 40. Kf1 Re1+ 41. Kf2 Re2+ 42. Kxe2 Qe7+ 43. Qe3 Qxf6 44.
Qe4+ Kh8 45. Qxb7 Qe5+ 46. Kd3 Qg3+ 47. Kc2 Qf2+ 48. Kb3 Nxb4 49. Qxb4 d5
50. Qd6 Kg7 51. Qxd5 Qb6+ 52. Kc4 Qb1 53. Qe5+ Kg6 54. Qe8+ Kg7 55. Qe2 Qb6
56. Qe7+ Kg6 57. Qe8+ Kf6 58. Nc6 Qa6+ 59. Kc5 Qa3+ 60. Kb5 Qb2+ 61. Nb4
Kg7 62. Qe3 Qa3 63. Qe7+ Kg6 64. Qe8+ Kg7 65. Qe5+ Kg6 66. Kc4 a5 67. Qf5+
Kg7 68. Qd7+ Kg6 69. Qe8+ Kg7 70. Qe7+ Kg8 71. Qd8+ Kg7 72. Qd4+ Kg6 73.
Qe4+ Kg5 74. Qf5+ Kh4 75. Qf6+ Kxg4 76. Qg6+ Kf3 77. Qc6+ Kg3 78. Qd6+ Kg4
79. Qe6+ Kg5 80. Qd5+ Kh4 81. Qh1+ Kg3 82. Qg1+ Kf3 83. Qf1+ Kg3 84. Qe1+
Kf3 85. Qd1+ Kg3 86. Qd3+ Kh4 87. Qe4+ Kg3 88. Qe3+ Kg4 89. Qe2+ Kh3 90.
Qf3+ Kh4 91. Qf4+ Kh5 92. Qf7+ Kg5 93. Qg8+ Kh4 94. Qd8+ Kh3 95. Qd7+ Kg3
96. Nd5 Qxa2+ 97. Kb5 a4 98. Qg7+ Kf2 99. Qd4+ Kg2 100. Qe4+ Kh3 101. Qe3+
Kg4 102. Qf4+ Kh5 103. Qf5+ Kh4 104. Qf6+ Kh5 105. Qf3+ Kg6 106. Qg4+ Kf7
107. Qf5+ Kg7 108. Qf6+ Kh7 109. Qf7+ Kh8 110. Qe8+ Kg7 111. Qe5+ Kg8 112.
Qb8+ Kh7 113. Qc7+ Kg6 114. Qd6+ Kg7 115. Qe7+ Kg6 116. Qe4+ Kg7 117. Qe6
Qb3+ 118. Ka5 Qa2 119. Qd7+ Kg6 120. Qg4+ Kf7 121. Qf5+ Kg7 122. Qe5+ Kh7
123. Qe7+ Kg6 124. Qf6+ Kh5 125. Qf7+ Kg5 126. Qg7+ Kf5 127. Qf6+ Kg4 128.
Qg6+ Kf3 129. Qf7+ Kg3 130. Qf4+ Kh3 131. Qxh6+ Kg2 132. Qg5+ Kf2 133. Qf4+
Kg1 134. Qg4+ Kh2 135. Qh4+ Kg2 136. Qe4+ Kh2 137. Qe5+ Kg2 138. Qg7+ Kh1
139. Qh8+ Kg2 140. Qg8+ Kf2 141. Qf7+ Kg3 142. Qf4+ Kh3 143. Ne3 a3 144.
Qf3+ Kh2 145. Ng4+ Kg1 146. Qg3+ Qg2 147. Qe3+ Kf1 148. Qc1+ Ke2 149. Qc2+
Kf3 150. Ne5+ Kg3 151. Qg6+ Kh2 152. Qh6+ Qh3 153. Qc1 a2 154. c4 Qg2 155.
Qa1 Qa8+ 156. Kb4 Qb7+ 157. Ka3 Qa7+ 158. Kb3 Qe3+ 159. Ka4 Qa7+ 160. Kb4
Qb6+ 161. Ka3 Qa7+ 162. Kb2 Qd4+ 163. Kxa2 Qa7+ 164. Kb2 Qd4+ 165. Ka2 Qa7+
166. Kb2 Qd4+ 167. Ka2
{Movei-> Draw by repetition} 1/2-1/2
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "ktulu"]
[Black "movei00_8042"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. O-O Be7
8. c4 Bg4 9. cxd5 Qxd5 10. Re1 Nd6 11. Nc3 Qh5 12. Be2 O-O 13. h3 Bf5 14.
Ne5 Qh4 15. g3 Qf6 16. Nd5 Qe6 17. Nxc7 Qc8 18. Nxa8 Qxa8 19. Nxc6 bxc6 20.
Bd3 Bf6 21. Bf4 Rd8 22. Be5 Bxe5 23. Rxe5 g6 24. Bf1 Be6 25. Qa4 Qb8 26.
Re2 Bd5 27. Rd2 f6 28. Bd3 Re8 29. Rc1 Qb7 30. f4 Re3 31. Kh2 Qe7 32. Qd1
Ne4 33. Bxe4 Qxe4 34. Qc2 Qf3 35. Rg1 Bxa2 36. Rf2 Qe4 37. Ra1 Bd5 38. Qxe4
Rxe4 39. Rxa7 Rxd4 40. Re2 Be4 41. b3 f5 42. Rea2 c5 43. Rc7 Rd1 44. g4
Rh1+ 45. Kg3 Rb1 46. Raa7 Rxb3+ 47. Kh4 Rb8 48. Rg7+ Kf8 49. Raf7+ Ke8 50.
Rxh7 Rb6 51. Ra7 Bb7 52. Rhxb7 Rxb7 53. Rxb7 fxg4 54. hxg4 Kd8 55. f5 Kc8
56. Ra7 Kb8 57. Rf7 g5+ 58. Kh5 Kc8 59. f6 Kd8 60. Ra7 Ke8 61. f7+ Kf8 62.
Kg6 c4 63. Kf6 c3 64. Ra8#
{Movei->White mates} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "ktulu"]
[Black "movei00_8042"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. Nf3 Nc6 2. e4 e5 3. Bb5 Bc5 4. O-O Nge7 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. d4 c6 7. Be2 Bd6
8. dxe5 Bxe5 9. Nd2 d5 10. Nf3 Bc7 11. exd5 Qxd5 12. Bg5 f6 13. Bd2 Bg4 14.
c4 Qh5 15. h3 Bxf3 16. Bxf3 Qe5 17. Re1 Qh2+ 18. Kf1 Rd8 19. Qc1 Be5 20.
Bb4 Ng6 21. g3 Qxh3+ 22. Bg2 Qf5 23. Qb1 Qxb1 24. Raxb1 Kd7 25. f4 Bd4 26.
Rbd1 Kc7 27. b3 c5 28. Bd2 f5 29. Bd5 Rhe8 30. Be6 Rf8 31. b4 Ne7 32. bxc5
Nc6 33. Bd5 Bxc5 34. Bc3 g6 35. Rb1 b6 36. Re6 Nd4 37. Re3 Nc2 38. Be5+ Kc8
39. Rd3 Rfe8 40. Rbb3 Nb4 41. Rd2 Rd7 42. a3 Nxd5 43. cxd5 g5 44. Rbd3 Kb7
45. a4 gxf4 46. Bxf4 Re4 47. Ra2 h5 48. a5 h4 49. axb6 axb6 50. Rc2 Ra4 51.
Kg2 hxg3 52. Kxg3 Re7 53. d6 Rd7 54. Kf3 Ra8 55. Re2 Ra1 56. Bg3 Kc6 57.
Re5 f4 58. Bxf4 Rf1+ 59. Ke4 Bxd6 60. Be3 Bxe5 61. Rxd7 Kxd7 62. Bh6 Ke6
63. Kd3 b5 64. Bd2 Kd5 65. Ke2 Rb1 66. Kd3 b4 67. Bxb4 Rxb4 68. Kc2 Ke4 69.
Kd2 Rb2+ 70. Ke1 Kf3 71. Kd1 Bf4 72. Ke1 Rb1#
{Movei->Black mates} 0-1

Uri

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 05 April 2003 15:18:25:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? -debug- geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 14:49:15:

...
Thank you both Uri and Leo,
the first error was caused by the time control. The engine isn't to bad IMO, but here is the next error:
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPITTLIK"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Ktulu"]
[Black "Green Light Chess v3.00"]
[Result "*"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. c4 e6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 a5 5. e3 O-O 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. Nc3 d5 8.
O-O dxc4 9. Bxc4 b6 10. Ng5 h6 11. Nf3 Bb7 12. a3 Bxc3 13. Bxc3 Ne4 14. Be1
Ne7 15. b3 Qd6 16. Nh4 Nf6 17. Bc3 Bd5 18. Be2 Nf5 19. Nxf5 exf5 20. Bd2
Ne4 21. Be1 Qe6 22. Rb1 Nd6 23. Kh1 c6 24. Bd3 Rfe8 25. Rb2 Qg6 26. Rg1 Qg5
27. b4 axb4 28. Rxb4 f4 29. exf4 Qxf4 30. Rxb6 Rxa3 31. Bb4 Ra2 32. Bxd6
Qxd6 33. Re1 Rea8 34. Bc2 Qc7 35. Rb1 Qf4 36. Kg1 g6 37. g3 Qd6 38. Bb3
Bxb3 39. Rxb3 Qd7 40. Rbe3 R8a4 41. Re4 Qd5 42. h4 Kg7 43. Rf4 R4a3 44. Kh2
Qd7 45. Re2 Ra1 46. Qd2 Qd5 47. Re1 c5 48. Rd1 f5 49. Re1 Ra7 50. g4 fxg4
51. Ree4 h5 52. Qb2 Kh7 53. Qc3 g5 54. hxg5 Qxg5 55. Qg3 R1a3 56. Re5 Rxg3
57. Rxg5 Rh3+ 58. Kg2 c4 59. d5 Kh6 60. Re5 c3 61. Rf6+ Kg7 62. Rc6 Kf7 63.
Rf5+ Kg7 64. Rg5+ Kf8 65. d6 Rd7 66. Rf5+ Ke8 67. Re5+ Kf8 68. Rc8+ Kf7 69.
Rc7 Kf6 70. Rxh5 Rxh5 71. Rxd7 Ke6 72. Rc7 Rh3 73. d7 Ke7 74. Rc4 Kxd7 75.
Rxg4 Rd3 76. Rc4 Kd6 77. f4 Kd5 78. Rc8 Ke4 79. Rc4+ Ke3 80. f5 Kd2 81. f6
c2 82. f7 Rd8 83. Rf4 c1=Q 84. Rf2+ Ke3 85. Rf3+ Ke4 86. f8=Q Qg5+ 87. Rg3
Qxg3+ 88. Kxg3 Rxf8 89. Kg2 Ke3 90. Kg3 Rf4 91. Kg2 Rg4+ 92. Kh3 Kf3 93.
Kh2 Rg6 94. Kh1 Kf2 95. Kh2 Rh6#
*
Ktulu didn't accept to be checkmated. A window poped up saying "illegal move by first machine" and it doesn't quit after WB was closed.
From the debug:
...


1339812 <second: move g6h6
Interrupting first
1339812 >first : time 21543
otim 25281
1339812 >first : g6h6
1339922 <second:  SetupTimePostMove( 95, 252.92 )
1339922 <second:   time left 252.92
1339922 <second:   ponder efficiency 0.495085 (5:16.92, 10:40.1)
1339922 <second:  Game finished test: 0
1339922 <first : move g6h6
1339922 <first : 1 1 1 1 Error on Search HashKey
GameEnds(0, (null), 2)


Regards
Volker

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 15:24:59:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? -debug- geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 14:49:15:

...

The engine runs fine at me under Win98 SE. Disturbing thing is only the popup when starting.

Hm it runs when I start it at the dos prompt but no chance with WB.
Volker


recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
WinBoard 4.2.6 + Ktulu
Reset(1, 0) from gameMode 0
recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
GameEnds(0, (null), 2)
StartChildProcess (dir="d:\Schach\Engines\ktulu") Ktulu
563 >first : xboard
protover 2
563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >>563 >first : accepted done
563 >>578 >first : new
random
578 >first : level 0 5 0

it seems that the engine does not support fisher time control
It is similiar to list4.61 except the fact that this engine does not know not to ponder when list does not know to ponder.
some results of it:
1.5-.5 against movei00_8042 at 5 minutes/40 moves ponder on.
Uri

Now 1.5-1.5
I am not going to play more games with it today
In the last game it seems that ktulu suffered from a bug because it evaluated 0.00 in the beginning of KRBP vs KB that was a clearly won position for movei
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "movei00_8042"]
[Black "ktulu"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Bg5 Bg7 7. Bb5+ Bd7
8. O-O h6 9. Bxf6 Bxf6 10. Nd5 Bg7 11. Bxd7+ Nxd7 12. Re1 O-O 13. c3 e6 14.
Ne3 Nc5 15. f3 Qg5 16. Rc1 Be5 17. g3 Rad8 18. b4 Bf4 19. Ndc2 Na6 20. Kh1
Bxe3 21. Nxe3 Qf6 22. Rf1 Qe5 23. Nc4 Qf6 24. Na5 Qe7 25. Qd2 Kh7 26. Qd4
Ra8 27. f4 Rfd8 28. f5 exf5 29. exf5 Qc7 30. Qd5 Rd7 31. h4 Rc8 32. g4 Re8
33. fxg6+ fxg6 34. h5 gxh5 35. Qxh5 Re5 36. Qh3 Rde7 37. Rf6 Re1+ 38. Rxe1
Rxe1+ 39. Kg2 Re2+ 40. Kf1 Re1+ 41. Kf2 Re2+ 42. Kxe2 Qe7+ 43. Qe3 Qxf6 44.
Qe4+ Kh8 45. Qxb7 Qe5+ 46. Kd3 Qg3+ 47. Kc2 Qf2+ 48. Kb3 Nxb4 49. Qxb4 d5
50. Qd6 Kg7 51. Qxd5 Qb6+ 52. Kc4 Qb1 53. Qe5+ Kg6 54. Qe8+ Kg7 55. Qe2 Qb6
56. Qe7+ Kg6 57. Qe8+ Kf6 58. Nc6 Qa6+ 59. Kc5 Qa3+ 60. Kb5 Qb2+ 61. Nb4
Kg7 62. Qe3 Qa3 63. Qe7+ Kg6 64. Qe8+ Kg7 65. Qe5+ Kg6 66. Kc4 a5 67. Qf5+
Kg7 68. Qd7+ Kg6 69. Qe8+ Kg7 70. Qe7+ Kg8 71. Qd8+ Kg7 72. Qd4+ Kg6 73.
Qe4+ Kg5 74. Qf5+ Kh4 75. Qf6+ Kxg4 76. Qg6+ Kf3 77. Qc6+ Kg3 78. Qd6+ Kg4
79. Qe6+ Kg5 80. Qd5+ Kh4 81. Qh1+ Kg3 82. Qg1+ Kf3 83. Qf1+ Kg3 84. Qe1+
Kf3 85. Qd1+ Kg3 86. Qd3+ Kh4 87. Qe4+ Kg3 88. Qe3+ Kg4 89. Qe2+ Kh3 90.
Qf3+ Kh4 91. Qf4+ Kh5 92. Qf7+ Kg5 93. Qg8+ Kh4 94. Qd8+ Kh3 95. Qd7+ Kg3
96. Nd5 Qxa2+ 97. Kb5 a4 98. Qg7+ Kf2 99. Qd4+ Kg2 100. Qe4+ Kh3 101. Qe3+
Kg4 102. Qf4+ Kh5 103. Qf5+ Kh4 104. Qf6+ Kh5 105. Qf3+ Kg6 106. Qg4+ Kf7
107. Qf5+ Kg7 108. Qf6+ Kh7 109. Qf7+ Kh8 110. Qe8+ Kg7 111. Qe5+ Kg8 112.
Qb8+ Kh7 113. Qc7+ Kg6 114. Qd6+ Kg7 115. Qe7+ Kg6 116. Qe4+ Kg7 117. Qe6
Qb3+ 118. Ka5 Qa2 119. Qd7+ Kg6 120. Qg4+ Kf7 121. Qf5+ Kg7 122. Qe5+ Kh7
123. Qe7+ Kg6 124. Qf6+ Kh5 125. Qf7+ Kg5 126. Qg7+ Kf5 127. Qf6+ Kg4 128.
Qg6+ Kf3 129. Qf7+ Kg3 130. Qf4+ Kh3 131. Qxh6+ Kg2 132. Qg5+ Kf2 133. Qf4+
Kg1 134. Qg4+ Kh2 135. Qh4+ Kg2 136. Qe4+ Kh2 137. Qe5+ Kg2 138. Qg7+ Kh1
139. Qh8+ Kg2 140. Qg8+ Kf2 141. Qf7+ Kg3 142. Qf4+ Kh3 143. Ne3 a3 144.
Qf3+ Kh2 145. Ng4+ Kg1 146. Qg3+ Qg2 147. Qe3+ Kf1 148. Qc1+ Ke2 149. Qc2+
Kf3 150. Ne5+ Kg3 151. Qg6+ Kh2 152. Qh6+ Qh3 153. Qc1 a2 154. c4 Qg2 155.
Qa1 Qa8+ 156. Kb4 Qb7+ 157. Ka3 Qa7+ 158. Kb3 Qe3+ 159. Ka4 Qa7+ 160. Kb4
Qb6+ 161. Ka3 Qa7+ 162. Kb2 Qd4+ 163. Kxa2 Qa7+ 164. Kb2 Qd4+ 165. Ka2 Qa7+
166. Kb2 Qd4+ 167. Ka2
{Movei-> Draw by repetition} 1/2-1/2
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "ktulu"]
[Black "movei00_8042"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. O-O Be7
8. c4 Bg4 9. cxd5 Qxd5 10. Re1 Nd6 11. Nc3 Qh5 12. Be2 O-O 13. h3 Bf5 14.
Ne5 Qh4 15. g3 Qf6 16. Nd5 Qe6 17. Nxc7 Qc8 18. Nxa8 Qxa8 19. Nxc6 bxc6 20.
Bd3 Bf6 21. Bf4 Rd8 22. Be5 Bxe5 23. Rxe5 g6 24. Bf1 Be6 25. Qa4 Qb8 26.
Re2 Bd5 27. Rd2 f6 28. Bd3 Re8 29. Rc1 Qb7 30. f4 Re3 31. Kh2 Qe7 32. Qd1
Ne4 33. Bxe4 Qxe4 34. Qc2 Qf3 35. Rg1 Bxa2 36. Rf2 Qe4 37. Ra1 Bd5 38. Qxe4
Rxe4 39. Rxa7 Rxd4 40. Re2 Be4 41. b3 f5 42. Rea2 c5 43. Rc7 Rd1 44. g4
Rh1+ 45. Kg3 Rb1 46. Raa7 Rxb3+ 47. Kh4 Rb8 48. Rg7+ Kf8 49. Raf7+ Ke8 50.
Rxh7 Rb6 51. Ra7 Bb7 52. Rhxb7 Rxb7 53. Rxb7 fxg4 54. hxg4 Kd8 55. f5 Kc8
56. Ra7 Kb8 57. Rf7 g5+ 58. Kh5 Kc8 59. f6 Kd8 60. Ra7 Ke8 61. f7+ Kf8 62.
Kg6 c4 63. Kf6 c3 64. Ra8#
{Movei->White mates} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "ktulu"]
[Black "movei00_8042"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. Nf3 Nc6 2. e4 e5 3. Bb5 Bc5 4. O-O Nge7 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. d4 c6 7. Be2 Bd6
8. dxe5 Bxe5 9. Nd2 d5 10. Nf3 Bc7 11. exd5 Qxd5 12. Bg5 f6 13. Bd2 Bg4 14.
c4 Qh5 15. h3 Bxf3 16. Bxf3 Qe5 17. Re1 Qh2+ 18. Kf1 Rd8 19. Qc1 Be5 20.
Bb4 Ng6 21. g3 Qxh3+ 22. Bg2 Qf5 23. Qb1 Qxb1 24. Raxb1 Kd7 25. f4 Bd4 26.
Rbd1 Kc7 27. b3 c5 28. Bd2 f5 29. Bd5 Rhe8 30. Be6 Rf8 31. b4 Ne7 32. bxc5
Nc6 33. Bd5 Bxc5 34. Bc3 g6 35. Rb1 b6 36. Re6 Nd4 37. Re3 Nc2 38. Be5+ Kc8
39. Rd3 Rfe8 40. Rbb3 Nb4 41. Rd2 Rd7 42. a3 Nxd5 43. cxd5 g5 44. Rbd3 Kb7
45. a4 gxf4 46. Bxf4 Re4 47. Ra2 h5 48. a5 h4 49. axb6 axb6 50. Rc2 Ra4 51.
Kg2 hxg3 52. Kxg3 Re7 53. d6 Rd7 54. Kf3 Ra8 55. Re2 Ra1 56. Bg3 Kc6 57.
Re5 f4 58. Bxf4 Rf1+ 59. Ke4 Bxd6 60. Be3 Bxe5 61. Rxd7 Kxd7 62. Bh6 Ke6
63. Kd3 b5 64. Bd2 Kd5 65. Ke2 Rb1 66. Kd3 b4 67. Bxb4 Rxb4 68. Kc2 Ke4 69.
Kd2 Rb2+ 70. Ke1 Kf3 71. Kd1 Bf4 72. Ke1 Rb1#
{Movei->Black mates} 0-1

Uri

Another bug that I found is that it seems that ktulu did not leave memory after the third game.
I quit winboard and went back to winboard(this time without ktulu)
and I found that movei was slow than what I expected in nodes per seconds.
I discovered that the reason was that ktulu used 1/2 of the processor time so
I killed that process.
Movei missed a win in the first game and I wanted to see if movei can find it by deeper search.
8/8/8/K7/6N1/p1P2k2/2Q3q1/8 w - - 0 150
Movei could win by trading queens but played Ne5+
Movei also cannot go deep in that position(maybe too many check extensions) and even after 10 minutes it still does not have a score at depth 10.
Note that ktulu expected Qxg2+ but movei fails to find it even at tournament time control.
Uri

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Sune Fischer at 05 April 2003 15:40:50:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? -debug- geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 15:24:59:

...

Movei missed a win in the first game and I wanted to see if movei can find it by deeper search.
8/8/8/K7/6N1/p1P2k2/2Q3q1/8 w - - 0 150
Movei could win by trading queens but played Ne5+
Movei also cannot go deep in that position(maybe too many check extensions) and even after 10 minutes it still does not have a score at depth 10.
Note that ktulu expected Qxg2+ but movei fails to find it even at tournament time control.
Uri

Frenzee doesn't find Qxg2 either without tables, but with tables it says mate in 20.
depth=9 3/28(Nh2) +2999.61 1.Qxg2+ Kxg2 2.Ne3+ Kf2 3.Nc2 a2 4.c4 Ke2 5.c5 Kd2 6.Na1 Kc3 7.Ka4 Kb2 8.Nb3 a1=Q+ 9.Nxa1 Kc1 10.c6 Kd2 11.c7 Kd3 12.c8=Q Ke4 13.Nc2 Kf4 14.Nd4 Ke3 15.Qg4 Kd3 16.Nc2 Kxc2 17.Qd4 Kb1 18.Qd2 Ka1 19.Ka3 Kb1 20.Qd1++
Nodes: 4550384 NPS: 752129
Time: 00:00:06.05

[Uri Blass]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 15:42:26:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? -debug- geschrieben von: / posted by: Uri Blass at 05 April 2003 15:24:59:

...

The engine runs fine at me under Win98 SE. Disturbing thing is only the popup when starting.

Hm it runs when I start it at the dos prompt but no chance with WB.
Volker


recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
WinBoard 4.2.6 + Ktulu
Reset(1, 0) from gameMode 0
recognized 'normal' (-1) as variant normal
GameEnds(0, (null), 2)
StartChildProcess (dir="d:\Schach\Engines\ktulu") Ktulu
563 >first : xboard
protover 2
563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >>>563 >first : accepted done
563 >>>578 >first : new
random
578 >first : level 0 5 0

it seems that the engine does not support fisher time control
It is similiar to list4.61 except the fact that this engine does not know not to ponder when list does not know to ponder.
some results of it:
1.5-.5 against movei00_8042 at 5 minutes/40 moves ponder on.
Uri

Now 1.5-1.5
I am not going to play more games with it today
In the last game it seems that ktulu suffered from a bug because it evaluated 0.00 in the beginning of KRBP vs KB that was a clearly won position for movei
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "movei00_8042"]
[Black "ktulu"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Bg5 Bg7 7. Bb5+ Bd7
8. O-O h6 9. Bxf6 Bxf6 10. Nd5 Bg7 11. Bxd7+ Nxd7 12. Re1 O-O 13. c3 e6 14.
Ne3 Nc5 15. f3 Qg5 16. Rc1 Be5 17. g3 Rad8 18. b4 Bf4 19. Ndc2 Na6 20. Kh1
Bxe3 21. Nxe3 Qf6 22. Rf1 Qe5 23. Nc4 Qf6 24. Na5 Qe7 25. Qd2 Kh7 26. Qd4
Ra8 27. f4 Rfd8 28. f5 exf5 29. exf5 Qc7 30. Qd5 Rd7 31. h4 Rc8 32. g4 Re8
33. fxg6+ fxg6 34. h5 gxh5 35. Qxh5 Re5 36. Qh3 Rde7 37. Rf6 Re1+ 38. Rxe1
Rxe1+ 39. Kg2 Re2+ 40. Kf1 Re1+ 41. Kf2 Re2+ 42. Kxe2 Qe7+ 43. Qe3 Qxf6 44.
Qe4+ Kh8 45. Qxb7 Qe5+ 46. Kd3 Qg3+ 47. Kc2 Qf2+ 48. Kb3 Nxb4 49. Qxb4 d5
50. Qd6 Kg7 51. Qxd5 Qb6+ 52. Kc4 Qb1 53. Qe5+ Kg6 54. Qe8+ Kg7 55. Qe2 Qb6
56. Qe7+ Kg6 57. Qe8+ Kf6 58. Nc6 Qa6+ 59. Kc5 Qa3+ 60. Kb5 Qb2+ 61. Nb4
Kg7 62. Qe3 Qa3 63. Qe7+ Kg6 64. Qe8+ Kg7 65. Qe5+ Kg6 66. Kc4 a5 67. Qf5+
Kg7 68. Qd7+ Kg6 69. Qe8+ Kg7 70. Qe7+ Kg8 71. Qd8+ Kg7 72. Qd4+ Kg6 73.
Qe4+ Kg5 74. Qf5+ Kh4 75. Qf6+ Kxg4 76. Qg6+ Kf3 77. Qc6+ Kg3 78. Qd6+ Kg4
79. Qe6+ Kg5 80. Qd5+ Kh4 81. Qh1+ Kg3 82. Qg1+ Kf3 83. Qf1+ Kg3 84. Qe1+
Kf3 85. Qd1+ Kg3 86. Qd3+ Kh4 87. Qe4+ Kg3 88. Qe3+ Kg4 89. Qe2+ Kh3 90.
Qf3+ Kh4 91. Qf4+ Kh5 92. Qf7+ Kg5 93. Qg8+ Kh4 94. Qd8+ Kh3 95. Qd7+ Kg3
96. Nd5 Qxa2+ 97. Kb5 a4 98. Qg7+ Kf2 99. Qd4+ Kg2 100. Qe4+ Kh3 101. Qe3+
Kg4 102. Qf4+ Kh5 103. Qf5+ Kh4 104. Qf6+ Kh5 105. Qf3+ Kg6 106. Qg4+ Kf7
107. Qf5+ Kg7 108. Qf6+ Kh7 109. Qf7+ Kh8 110. Qe8+ Kg7 111. Qe5+ Kg8 112.
Qb8+ Kh7 113. Qc7+ Kg6 114. Qd6+ Kg7 115. Qe7+ Kg6 116. Qe4+ Kg7 117. Qe6
Qb3+ 118. Ka5 Qa2 119. Qd7+ Kg6 120. Qg4+ Kf7 121. Qf5+ Kg7 122. Qe5+ Kh7
123. Qe7+ Kg6 124. Qf6+ Kh5 125. Qf7+ Kg5 126. Qg7+ Kf5 127. Qf6+ Kg4 128.
Qg6+ Kf3 129. Qf7+ Kg3 130. Qf4+ Kh3 131. Qxh6+ Kg2 132. Qg5+ Kf2 133. Qf4+
Kg1 134. Qg4+ Kh2 135. Qh4+ Kg2 136. Qe4+ Kh2 137. Qe5+ Kg2 138. Qg7+ Kh1
139. Qh8+ Kg2 140. Qg8+ Kf2 141. Qf7+ Kg3 142. Qf4+ Kh3 143. Ne3 a3 144.
Qf3+ Kh2 145. Ng4+ Kg1 146. Qg3+ Qg2 147. Qe3+ Kf1 148. Qc1+ Ke2 149. Qc2+
Kf3 150. Ne5+ Kg3 151. Qg6+ Kh2 152. Qh6+ Qh3 153. Qc1 a2 154. c4 Qg2 155.
Qa1 Qa8+ 156. Kb4 Qb7+ 157. Ka3 Qa7+ 158. Kb3 Qe3+ 159. Ka4 Qa7+ 160. Kb4
Qb6+ 161. Ka3 Qa7+ 162. Kb2 Qd4+ 163. Kxa2 Qa7+ 164. Kb2 Qd4+ 165. Ka2 Qa7+
166. Kb2 Qd4+ 167. Ka2
{Movei-> Draw by repetition} 1/2-1/2
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "ktulu"]
[Black "movei00_8042"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. O-O Be7
8. c4 Bg4 9. cxd5 Qxd5 10. Re1 Nd6 11. Nc3 Qh5 12. Be2 O-O 13. h3 Bf5 14.
Ne5 Qh4 15. g3 Qf6 16. Nd5 Qe6 17. Nxc7 Qc8 18. Nxa8 Qxa8 19. Nxc6 bxc6 20.
Bd3 Bf6 21. Bf4 Rd8 22. Be5 Bxe5 23. Rxe5 g6 24. Bf1 Be6 25. Qa4 Qb8 26.
Re2 Bd5 27. Rd2 f6 28. Bd3 Re8 29. Rc1 Qb7 30. f4 Re3 31. Kh2 Qe7 32. Qd1
Ne4 33. Bxe4 Qxe4 34. Qc2 Qf3 35. Rg1 Bxa2 36. Rf2 Qe4 37. Ra1 Bd5 38. Qxe4
Rxe4 39. Rxa7 Rxd4 40. Re2 Be4 41. b3 f5 42. Rea2 c5 43. Rc7 Rd1 44. g4
Rh1+ 45. Kg3 Rb1 46. Raa7 Rxb3+ 47. Kh4 Rb8 48. Rg7+ Kf8 49. Raf7+ Ke8 50.
Rxh7 Rb6 51. Ra7 Bb7 52. Rhxb7 Rxb7 53. Rxb7 fxg4 54. hxg4 Kd8 55. f5 Kc8
56. Ra7 Kb8 57. Rf7 g5+ 58. Kh5 Kc8 59. f6 Kd8 60. Ra7 Ke8 61. f7+ Kf8 62.
Kg6 c4 63. Kf6 c3 64. Ra8#
{Movei->White mates} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URI-PC"]
[Date "2003.04.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "ktulu"]
[Black "movei00_8042"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
1. Nf3 Nc6 2. e4 e5 3. Bb5 Bc5 4. O-O Nge7 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. d4 c6 7. Be2 Bd6
8. dxe5 Bxe5 9. Nd2 d5 10. Nf3 Bc7 11. exd5 Qxd5 12. Bg5 f6 13. Bd2 Bg4 14.
c4 Qh5 15. h3 Bxf3 16. Bxf3 Qe5 17. Re1 Qh2+ 18. Kf1 Rd8 19. Qc1 Be5 20.
Bb4 Ng6 21. g3 Qxh3+ 22. Bg2 Qf5 23. Qb1 Qxb1 24. Raxb1 Kd7 25. f4 Bd4 26.
Rbd1 Kc7 27. b3 c5 28. Bd2 f5 29. Bd5 Rhe8 30. Be6 Rf8 31. b4 Ne7 32. bxc5
Nc6 33. Bd5 Bxc5 34. Bc3 g6 35. Rb1 b6 36. Re6 Nd4 37. Re3 Nc2 38. Be5+ Kc8
39. Rd3 Rfe8 40. Rbb3 Nb4 41. Rd2 Rd7 42. a3 Nxd5 43. cxd5 g5 44. Rbd3 Kb7
45. a4 gxf4 46. Bxf4 Re4 47. Ra2 h5 48. a5 h4 49. axb6 axb6 50. Rc2 Ra4 51.
Kg2 hxg3 52. Kxg3 Re7 53. d6 Rd7 54. Kf3 Ra8 55. Re2 Ra1 56. Bg3 Kc6 57.
Re5 f4 58. Bxf4 Rf1+ 59. Ke4 Bxd6 60. Be3 Bxe5 61. Rxd7 Kxd7 62. Bh6 Ke6
63. Kd3 b5 64. Bd2 Kd5 65. Ke2 Rb1 66. Kd3 b4 67. Bxb4 Rxb4 68. Kc2 Ke4 69.
Kd2 Rb2+ 70. Ke1 Kf3 71. Kd1 Bf4 72. Ke1 Rb1#
{Movei->Black mates} 0-1

Uri

Another bug that I found is that it seems that ktulu did not leave memory after the third game.
I quit winboard and went back to winboard(this time without ktulu)
and I found that movei was slow than what I expected in nodes per seconds.
I discovered that the reason was that ktulu used 1/2 of the processor time so
I killed that process.
Movei missed a win in the first game and I wanted to see if movei can find it by deeper search.
8/8/8/K7/6N1/p1P2k2/2Q3q1/8 w - - 0 150
Movei could win by trading queens but played Ne5+
Movei also cannot go deep in that position(maybe too many check extensions) and even after 10 minutes it still does not have a score at depth 10.
Note that ktulu expected Qxg2+ but movei fails to find it even at tournament time control.
Uri

Note that more analysis suggest that the losing error was later but Qxg2+ was still the simplest way to win.
The last simple win that movei missed seems to be 153.Nf3+ or 153.Ng4+ and 154.Qxh3+
8/8/7Q/K3N3/8/p1P4q/7k/8 w - - 0 153
Uri

[mike schoonover]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: mike schoonover at 05 April 2003 15:44:44:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 05 April 2003 10:21:12:

I think it is.

I agree. Unfortunately the engine doesn't run here (W2k, 2GHz). Bug report send to the author.
Volker

does'nt run here under arena or winboard,on win98.
exits unespectently.
regards
mike

[mike schoonover]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: mike schoonover at 05 April 2003 16:51:40:
Als Antwort auf: / In reply to: Re: 1st WB engine from Iran? geschrieben von: / posted by: mike schoonover at 05 April 2003 15:44:44:

I think it is.

I agree. Unfortunately the engine doesn't run here (W2k, 2GHz). Bug report send to the author.
Volker

does'nt run here under arena or winboard,on win98.
exits unespectently.
regards
mike