pls don't post full pvs for every move in a game!!

[Michael Scheidl]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Michael Scheidl at 19 May 2004 14:23:21:

Please switch options like "PGN/Save mainline" to off, or remove those commentary from a game, when you intend to post it on a message board.
It may be a usefull option to have these pvs for beta tests, engine research etc. but NOT for posting games. Posting such data monsters is against the netiquette IMO (especially when done without a warning like "...large!" in the subject line. It creates unnecessary traffic and ugly "overloaded" PGN. Also, some people have download limits.

Thanks!
M.Scheidl

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 19 May 2004 15:40:12:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: pls don't post full pvs for every move in a game!! geschrieben von:/posted by: Michael Scheidl at 19 May 2004 14:23:21:

Please switch options like "PGN/Save mainline" to off, or remove those commentary from a game, when you intend to post it on a message board.
It may be a usefull option to have these pvs for beta tests, engine research etc. but NOT for posting games. Posting such data monsters is against the netiquette IMO (especially when done without a warning like "...large!" in the subject line. It creates unnecessary traffic and ugly "overloaded" PGN. Also, some people have download limits.

Thanks!
M.Scheidl

Good point, but you should care for this also in 'your own' forum.
I have seen lots of posts like that there in the last months...
Regards,
Günther

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 19 May 2004 17:13:36:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: pls don't post full pvs for every move in a game!! geschrieben von:/posted by: Michael Scheidl at 19 May 2004 14:23:21:

I think that this forum is created in the first place for engines authors, not for engines fans. So, if engines authors need mainlines, I think that engines fans should work a little more to take them off, if they are not interested in engines thinking.
But we need a moderator (or moderators) intervention here. Perhaps I am wrong.
SL.

Please switch options like "PGN/Save mainline" to off, or remove those commentary from a game, when you intend to post it on a message board.
It may be a usefull option to have these pvs for beta tests, engine research etc. but NOT for posting games. Posting such data monsters is against the netiquette IMO (especially when done without a warning like "...large!" in the subject line. It creates unnecessary traffic and ugly "overloaded" PGN. Also, some people have download limits.

Thanks!
M.Scheidl

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 19 May 2004 17:17:48:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: It is a question for WF policy geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 19 May 2004 17:13:36:

[Mogens Larsen]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Mogens Larsen at 19 May 2004 17:35:22:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: It is a question for WF policy geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 19 May 2004 17:13:36:

I think that this forum is created in the first place for engines authors, not for engines fans. So, if engines authors need mainlines, I think that engines fans should work a little more to take them off, if they are not interested in engines thinking.
But we need a moderator (or moderators) intervention here. Perhaps I am wrong.
SL.

It isn't really a moderation issue, because there are no PGN guidelines. Only the usual net etiquette is applicable. However, I see no reason to include mainlines or other comments unless it is meant to prove a point, ie. low search depth, inefficient time usage or illegal/strange mainlines. Otherwise post clean PGN without automated commentary by Chessbase products or Arena. That's my opinion, not law or guideline.
The WinBoard forum was founded with the purpose of providing a forum for WinBoard users en masse IIRC. Regardless of the manner in which he or she participated. I don't think that has changed, so all members are of equal status. Besides, engine specific problems should be reported directly to the engine author.
Regards,
Mogens

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 19 May 2004 22:21:30:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: It is a question for WF policy geschrieben von:/posted by: Mogens Larsen at 19 May 2004 17:35:22:


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The WinBoard forum was founded with the purpose of providing a forum for WinBoard users en masse IIRC.

To be honest I don't remember exactly. R.g.c.c wasn't readable at that time and I wasn't very familiar with CCC then. I just want to create a forum where it is possible to discuss on topically in an atmosphere of mutual respect.
To the issue in question:
I personally don't like this computer generated comments in postings except they illustrate an error or something else of interest. I think the PGN with all the comments is not very readable.
But I agree this is not a general problem of this forum. I might be a problem in forums where most participants use "blithering" software as Arena or Chessbase products.
Regards
Volker

[Michael Scheidl]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Michael Scheidl at 21 May 2004 16:14:11:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: It is a question for WF policy geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 19 May 2004 17:13:36:

I think that this forum is created in the first place for engines authors, not for engines fans. So, if engines authors need mainlines, I think that engines fans should work a little more to take them off, if they are not interested in engines thinking.

I don't mind when such large commented PGN is posted as long as a size warning ("large!" or ">100 KB" or the like) is given in the subject line, so I could decide not to open it, or when the data monster is posted in an extra message in addition to the general comments.
My concern was the "suprising" size regarding the net traffic and download size with connections which have a download limit of x MB per month (I think many DSL users have that). Usually you don't expect a message to be larger than (roughly) ~50 KB, that's what I meant.
(Sorry for raising a moderation issue it was just a wish from my individual view.)
Thanks,
M.Scheidl