New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ..

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 16:00:33:

Crafty still doesn´t know how to draw KR vs KN endgame, without EGTBs.
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2004.07.14"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Yace 0.99.87"]
[Black "Crafty 19.15 DHnosse"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E05/09"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Time "09:19:10"]
[Variation "Open, Classical Main Line"]
[TimeControl "1500+3"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "260"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 d5 4. Bg2 Be7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. O-O dxc4 7. Qc2 a6 8.
Qxc4 b5 9. Qc2 Bb7 10. Bd2 Be4 11. Qc1 Bb7 12. Bf4 Nd5 13. Bg5 f6 14. Bd2
Qd7 15. e4 Nb6 16. Qc2 Nc4 17. Bc3 Rd8 18. b3 Nb6 19. Rc1 Nc6 20. Bh3 Qd6
21. a4 b4 22. Bb2 a5 23. Nbd2 Re8 24. e5 Qd7 25. Bf1 Nc8 26. exf6 Bxf6 27.
Ne4 Qd5 28. Bc4 Qh5 29. Bb5 Qxf3 30. Nxf6+ Qxf6 31. d5 Qf5 32. dxc6 Ba6 33.
Bxa6 Rxa6 34. Qc4 Ra8 35. Qd4 Qf7 36. Re1 Nb6 37. Rad1 Nd5 38. Re5 Rf8 39.
Rg5 Nc3 40. Rd2 e5 41. Rxe5 Qxb3 42. Re7 Rf6 43. Qe5 Rf7 44. Qxc7 Nd5 45.
Qb7 Nxe7 46. Qxa8+ Rf8 47. Qxa5 Qe6 48. Qg5 Qe1+ 49. Kg2 Qe4+ 50. Kh3 g6
51. f3 Qe6+ 52. Kg2 Nxc6 53. Qb5 Rb8 54. Qc5 Rf8 55. h3 Rf5 56. Qc2 Rh5 57.
g4 Rd5 58. Re2 Rc5 59. Qd3 Qf7 60. Qa6 Qd7 61. Qa8+ Nd8 62. Bf6 Rc8 63. Qe4
Nc6 64. g5 Kf8 65. Qc4 Qf7 66. Qb5 Qc7 67. Rd2 Kg8 68. Qd5+ Qf7 69. Qxf7+
Kxf7 70. Rd7+ Ke6 71. Rxh7 Ra8 72. Rc7 Ra6 73. Kf2 Kd5 74. Rg7 Ne5 75. f4
Nd3+ 76. Ke3 Nc5 77. Rxg6 Rxa4 78. Be5 Ra3+ 79. Ke2 Ke4 80. Rb6 Ra2+ 81.
Kd1 Nd3 82. Bh8 Rg2 83. Bf6 Nf2+ 84. Kc1 Nxh3 85. Rxb4+ Kf5 86. Be5 Nxg5
87. Kd1 Nf3 88. Bb8 Rd2+ 89. Kc1 Rd5 90. Rb7 Rd2 91. Rf7+ Kg4 92. Rg7+ Kf5
93. Rf7+ Kg4 94. Rf8 Rf2 95. Rg8+ Kf5 96. Rf8+ Kg4 97. Ba7 Ra2 98. Be3 Re2
99. Rg8+ Kf5 100. Re8 Re1+ 101. Kb2 Rxe3 102. Rxe3 Kxf4 103. Re2 Ng1 104.
Re8 Nf3 105. Kc3 Kg3 106. Kd3 Kf2 107. Rf8 Kg2 108. Ke3 Ne5 109. Rc8 Kf1
110. Rc5 Nd7 111. Rf5+ Kg2 112. Kd4 Nb8 113. Kc5 Na6+ 114. Kb5 Nb8 115. Rd5
Kh2 116. Rd8 Kg1 117. Rxb8 Kf2 118. Rf8+ Ke3 119. Kc5 Ke4 120. Re8+ Kf5
121. Kd6 Kf4 122. Re5 Kf3 123. Ke6 Kf4 124. Kf6 Kg3 125. Kg5 Kf3 126. Re8
Kg3 127. Rf8 Kh3 128. Kf4 Kg2 129. Kg4 Kh2 130. Kf3
{
Black
resigns
}
1-0

[Peter Berger]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Peter Berger at 14 July 2004 16:55:29:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 16:00:33:

Have you bothered to report the problem to Bob Hyatt (email should be fine)? Maybe he will fix it for you.
As far as I know he doesn't follow this forum, so reporting it here is not likely to cause a change.
Peter

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 17:12:22:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Peter Berger at 14 July 2004 16:55:29:

Have you bothered to report the problem to Bob Hyatt (email should be fine)? Maybe he will fix it for you.
As far as I know he doesn't follow this forum, so reporting it here is not likely to cause a change.
Peter

I have reported another problem in Crafty 19.12 or 13, don´t remember well. I also asked him whether he remember me from CTF. But he never answered.
You know that I was, and am still banned from the CTF, where I could find him. On the other hand, I know that some admirers of his work read this forum, Michael Byrne for example.
So, the communication is not the problem, Peter. I think that prof Hyatt doesn´t pay attention to those "details without importance".
That´s why I am insisting so much, like his country-men trying to find WMD in certain countries.
SL.

[Bryan Hofmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 14 July 2004 18:20:49:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 16:00:33:

Crafty still doesn´t know how to draw KR vs KN endgame, without EGTBs.
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2004.07.14"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Yace 0.99.87"]
[Black "Crafty 19.15 DHnosse"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E05/09"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Time "09:19:10"]
[Variation "Open, Classical Main Line"]
[TimeControl "1500+3"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "260"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 d5 4. Bg2 Be7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. O-O dxc4 7. Qc2 a6 8.
Qxc4 b5 9. Qc2 Bb7 10. Bd2 Be4 11. Qc1 Bb7 12. Bf4 Nd5 13. Bg5 f6 14. Bd2
Qd7 15. e4 Nb6 16. Qc2 Nc4 17. Bc3 Rd8 18. b3 Nb6 19. Rc1 Nc6 20. Bh3 Qd6
21. a4 b4 22. Bb2 a5 23. Nbd2 Re8 24. e5 Qd7 25. Bf1 Nc8 26. exf6 Bxf6 27.
Ne4 Qd5 28. Bc4 Qh5 29. Bb5 Qxf3 30. Nxf6+ Qxf6 31. d5 Qf5 32. dxc6 Ba6 33.
Bxa6 Rxa6 34. Qc4 Ra8 35. Qd4 Qf7 36. Re1 Nb6 37. Rad1 Nd5 38. Re5 Rf8 39.
Rg5 Nc3 40. Rd2 e5 41. Rxe5 Qxb3 42. Re7 Rf6 43. Qe5 Rf7 44. Qxc7 Nd5 45.
Qb7 Nxe7 46. Qxa8+ Rf8 47. Qxa5 Qe6 48. Qg5 Qe1+ 49. Kg2 Qe4+ 50. Kh3 g6
51. f3 Qe6+ 52. Kg2 Nxc6 53. Qb5 Rb8 54. Qc5 Rf8 55. h3 Rf5 56. Qc2 Rh5 57.
g4 Rd5 58. Re2 Rc5 59. Qd3 Qf7 60. Qa6 Qd7 61. Qa8+ Nd8 62. Bf6 Rc8 63. Qe4
Nc6 64. g5 Kf8 65. Qc4 Qf7 66. Qb5 Qc7 67. Rd2 Kg8 68. Qd5+ Qf7 69. Qxf7+
Kxf7 70. Rd7+ Ke6 71. Rxh7 Ra8 72. Rc7 Ra6 73. Kf2 Kd5 74. Rg7 Ne5 75. f4
Nd3+ 76. Ke3 Nc5 77. Rxg6 Rxa4 78. Be5 Ra3+ 79. Ke2 Ke4 80. Rb6 Ra2+ 81.
Kd1 Nd3 82. Bh8 Rg2 83. Bf6 Nf2+ 84. Kc1 Nxh3 85. Rxb4+ Kf5 86. Be5 Nxg5
87. Kd1 Nf3 88. Bb8 Rd2+ 89. Kc1 Rd5 90. Rb7 Rd2 91. Rf7+ Kg4 92. Rg7+ Kf5
93. Rf7+ Kg4 94. Rf8 Rf2 95. Rg8+ Kf5 96. Rf8+ Kg4 97. Ba7 Ra2 98. Be3 Re2
99. Rg8+ Kf5 100. Re8 Re1+ 101. Kb2 Rxe3 102. Rxe3 Kxf4 103. Re2 Ng1 104.
Re8 Nf3 105. Kc3 Kg3 106. Kd3 Kf2 107. Rf8 Kg2 108. Ke3 Ne5 109. Rc8 Kf1
110. Rc5 Nd7 111. Rf5+ Kg2 112. Kd4 Nb8 113. Kc5 Na6+ 114. Kb5 Nb8 115. Rd5
Kh2 116. Rd8 Kg1 117. Rxb8 Kf2 118. Rf8+ Ke3 119. Kc5 Ke4 120. Re8+ Kf5
121. Kd6 Kf4 122. Re5 Kf3 123. Ke6 Kf4 124. Kf6 Kg3 125. Kg5 Kf3 126. Re8
Kg3 127. Rf8 Kh3 128. Kf4 Kg2 129. Kg4 Kh2 130. Kf3
{
Black
resigns
}
1-0

I do not know where the "DHnosse" version comes from but there seems to be something amiss. When I run an analyze starting at move 105, in the game crafty moved Kg3, analysis with my "nosee" version shows Ng1 and Kg3 is not even looked at (see below). There are several moves afterwards where there is a difference also which lead crafty to lose this game. Where did you get this compile from?

11 00:01 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1
12 00:02 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8
13 00:02 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1
14 00:03 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7
15 00:04 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2
16 00:07 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2
17 00:12 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8
18 00:21 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8 Nc1
19 00:35 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8 Nc1 115. Ra2+ Nxa2
20 01:03 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8 Nc1 115. Ra2+ Nxa2 116. Kh8
21 01:54 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8 Nc1 115. Ra2+ Nxa2 116. Kh8 Nb4

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 20:40:56:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 14 July 2004 18:20:49:

Sorry, the correct name should be "BHnosse". It is your version working in my AMD Duron processor.
I´ll make the name correction.
SL.

Crafty still doesn´t know how to draw KR vs KN endgame, without EGTBs.
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2004.07.14"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Yace 0.99.87"]
[Black "Crafty 19.15 DHnosse"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E05/09"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Time "09:19:10"]
[Variation "Open, Classical Main Line"]
[TimeControl "1500+3"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "260"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 d5 4. Bg2 Be7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. O-O dxc4 7. Qc2 a6 8.
Qxc4 b5 9. Qc2 Bb7 10. Bd2 Be4 11. Qc1 Bb7 12. Bf4 Nd5 13. Bg5 f6 14. Bd2
Qd7 15. e4 Nb6 16. Qc2 Nc4 17. Bc3 Rd8 18. b3 Nb6 19. Rc1 Nc6 20. Bh3 Qd6
21. a4 b4 22. Bb2 a5 23. Nbd2 Re8 24. e5 Qd7 25. Bf1 Nc8 26. exf6 Bxf6 27.
Ne4 Qd5 28. Bc4 Qh5 29. Bb5 Qxf3 30. Nxf6+ Qxf6 31. d5 Qf5 32. dxc6 Ba6 33.
Bxa6 Rxa6 34. Qc4 Ra8 35. Qd4 Qf7 36. Re1 Nb6 37. Rad1 Nd5 38. Re5 Rf8 39.
Rg5 Nc3 40. Rd2 e5 41. Rxe5 Qxb3 42. Re7 Rf6 43. Qe5 Rf7 44. Qxc7 Nd5 45.
Qb7 Nxe7 46. Qxa8+ Rf8 47. Qxa5 Qe6 48. Qg5 Qe1+ 49. Kg2 Qe4+ 50. Kh3 g6
51. f3 Qe6+ 52. Kg2 Nxc6 53. Qb5 Rb8 54. Qc5 Rf8 55. h3 Rf5 56. Qc2 Rh5 57.
g4 Rd5 58. Re2 Rc5 59. Qd3 Qf7 60. Qa6 Qd7 61. Qa8+ Nd8 62. Bf6 Rc8 63. Qe4
Nc6 64. g5 Kf8 65. Qc4 Qf7 66. Qb5 Qc7 67. Rd2 Kg8 68. Qd5+ Qf7 69. Qxf7+
Kxf7 70. Rd7+ Ke6 71. Rxh7 Ra8 72. Rc7 Ra6 73. Kf2 Kd5 74. Rg7 Ne5 75. f4
Nd3+ 76. Ke3 Nc5 77. Rxg6 Rxa4 78. Be5 Ra3+ 79. Ke2 Ke4 80. Rb6 Ra2+ 81.
Kd1 Nd3 82. Bh8 Rg2 83. Bf6 Nf2+ 84. Kc1 Nxh3 85. Rxb4+ Kf5 86. Be5 Nxg5
87. Kd1 Nf3 88. Bb8 Rd2+ 89. Kc1 Rd5 90. Rb7 Rd2 91. Rf7+ Kg4 92. Rg7+ Kf5
93. Rf7+ Kg4 94. Rf8 Rf2 95. Rg8+ Kf5 96. Rf8+ Kg4 97. Ba7 Ra2 98. Be3 Re2
99. Rg8+ Kf5 100. Re8 Re1+ 101. Kb2 Rxe3 102. Rxe3 Kxf4 103. Re2 Ng1 104.
Re8 Nf3 105. Kc3 Kg3 106. Kd3 Kf2 107. Rf8 Kg2 108. Ke3 Ne5 109. Rc8 Kf1
110. Rc5 Nd7 111. Rf5+ Kg2 112. Kd4 Nb8 113. Kc5 Na6+ 114. Kb5 Nb8 115. Rd5
Kh2 116. Rd8 Kg1 117. Rxb8 Kf2 118. Rf8+ Ke3 119. Kc5 Ke4 120. Re8+ Kf5
121. Kd6 Kf4 122. Re5 Kf3 123. Ke6 Kf4 124. Kf6 Kg3 125. Kg5 Kf3 126. Re8
Kg3 127. Rf8 Kh3 128. Kf4 Kg2 129. Kg4 Kh2 130. Kf3
{
Black
resigns
}
1-0

I do not know where the "DHnosse" version comes from but there seems to be something amiss. When I run an analyze starting at move 105, in the game crafty moved Kg3, analysis with my "nosee" version shows Ng1 and Kg3 is not even looked at (see below). There are several moves afterwards where there is a difference also which lead crafty to lose this game. Where did you get this compile from?

11 00:01 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1
12 00:02 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8
13 00:02 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1
14 00:03 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7
15 00:04 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2
16 00:07 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2
17 00:12 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8
18 00:21 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8 Nc1
19 00:35 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8 Nc1 115. Ra2+ Nxa2
20 01:03 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8 Nc1 115. Ra2+ Nxa2 116. Kh8
21 01:54 -0.01 105. ... Ng1 106. Rh8 Ke3 107. Kc4 Ne2 108. Rg8 Kf2 109. Kd5 Ke1 110. Ke6 Nc1 111. Ra8 Kd1 112. Kf7 Ne2 113. Ra1+ Kc2 114. Kg8 Nc1 115. Ra2+ Nxa2 116. Kh8 Nb4

[Jose Carlos]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Jose Carlos at 14 July 2004 21:15:27:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 17:12:22:

Have you bothered to report the problem to Bob Hyatt (email should be fine)? Maybe he will fix it for you.
As far as I know he doesn't follow this forum, so reporting it here is not likely to cause a change.
Peter

I have reported another problem in Crafty 19.12 or 13, don´t remember well. I also asked him whether he remember me from CTF. But he never answered.
You know that I was, and am still banned from the CTF, where I could find him. On the other hand, I know that some admirers of his work read this forum, Michael Byrne for example.
So, the communication is not the problem, Peter. I think that prof Hyatt doesn´t pay attention to those "details without importance".
That´s why I am insisting so much, like his country-men trying to find WMD in certain countries.
SL.

This is the second time I warn you about these out of place comments. Again please, don't do it again, it's off topic and unnecesary provocation. Try to understand. This forum is about having fun with winboard and chess programs.
José C.

[Bryan Hofmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 14 July 2004 21:26:48:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 20:40:56:

Sorry, the correct name should be "BHnosse". It is your version working in my AMD Duron processor.
I´ll make the name correction.
SL.

What GUI were you using for this match? Also can you you enter the following FEN in the crafty console (startup crafty by its self no GUI)
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - - 5 105
then type go and let me know the move it chooses.

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 21:31:12:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: [Moderation] Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Jose Carlos at 14 July 2004 21:15:27:

Have you bothered to report the problem to Bob Hyatt (email should be fine)? Maybe he will fix it for you.
As far as I know he doesn't follow this forum, so reporting it here is not likely to cause a change.
Peter

I have reported another problem in Crafty 19.12 or 13, don´t remember well. I also asked him whether he remember me from CTF. But he never answered.
You know that I was, and am still banned from the CTF, where I could find him. On the other hand, I know that some admirers of his work read this forum, Michael Byrne for example.
So, the communication is not the problem, Peter. I think that prof Hyatt doesn´t pay attention to those "details without importance".
That´s why I am insisting so much, like his country-men trying to find WMD in certain countries.
SL.

This is the second time I warn you about these out of place comments. Again please, don't do it again, it's off topic and unnecesary provocation. Try to understand. This forum is about having fun with winboard and chess programs.
José C.

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 21:39:33:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 14 July 2004 21:26:48:

Sorry, the correct name should be "BHnosse". It is your version working in my AMD Duron processor.
I´ll make the name correction.
SL.

What GUI were you using for this match? Also can you you enter the following FEN in the crafty console (startup crafty by its self no GUI)
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - - 5 105
then type go and let me know the move it chooses.

I am using Arena 1.08.
I don´t know how to enter FEN in console mode. Give me some explanation, please.
In console mode Crafty expects a move to be played.
SL.

[Moderation Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Moderation Volker Pittlik at 14 July 2004 21:40:38:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Bigger Catholic than the Pope (N/T) geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 21:31:12:

[Bryan Hofmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 14 July 2004 21:54:40:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 14 July 2004 21:39:33:

Sorry, the correct name should be "BHnosse". It is your version working in my AMD Duron processor.
I´ll make the name correction.
SL.

What GUI were you using for this match? Also can you you enter the following FEN in the crafty console (startup crafty by its self no GUI)
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - - 5 105
then type go and let me know the move it chooses.

I am using Arena 1.08.
I don´t know how to enter FEN in console mode. Give me some explanation, please.
In console mode Crafty expects a move to be played.
SL.

Run the crafty.exe from a DOS window. After it starts up and you see the White(1): prompt just type in PONDER OFF then hit return then type in
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - -
then hit enter
then type in
go
then enter
Let me know what it says the move is on the Black(1): line. You just type in quit to exit out of the console. I belive there maybe a problem with running the NOSSE version on your Duron. The NOSSE version is for Athlons not Duron CPUs. So it may run but may have issues. Since I do not have a Duron CPU I have no way to test things. This is a draw back in trying to create the fastest compile for several platforms.

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 July 2004 01:17:38:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 14 July 2004 21:54:40:

Sorry, the correct name should be "BHnosse". It is your version working in my AMD Duron processor.
I´ll make the name correction.
SL.

What GUI were you using for this match? Also can you you enter the following FEN in the crafty console (startup crafty by its self no GUI)
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - - 5 105
then type go and let me know the move it chooses.

I am using Arena 1.08.
I don´t know how to enter FEN in console mode. Give me some explanation, please.
In console mode Crafty expects a move to be played.
SL.

Run the crafty.exe from a DOS window. After it starts up and you see the White(1): prompt just type in PONDER OFF then hit return then type in
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - -
then hit enter
then type in
go
then enter
Let me know what it says the move is on the Black(1): line. You just type in quit to exit out of the console. I belive there maybe a problem with running the NOSSE version on your Duron. The NOSSE version is for Athlons not Duron CPUs. So it may run but may have issues. Since I do not have a Duron CPU I have no way to test things. This is a draw back in trying to create the fastest compile for several platforms.

Hi,
I have simply started crafty.exe from Windows explorer, it was not original DOS windows. If you insiste I could repeat experience.
After typing PONDER OFF it sayd : Illegal move PONDER
Finaly, after entering your position, there were 16 lines, and the last one is:
16 21.70 -0.09 1...Ng1 2.Rh8 Ke3 3.Kc4 Ne2 4.Rg8 Kf2 5.Kd5 Ke1 6.Ke6 Kd1 7.Ra8 Ng3 8.Kf7 Nf1 9.Ra1+ Ke2
time=22.64 cpu=6115% mat=2 n=14673360 fh=88% nps=648K
ext-> chk=904184 cap=0 pp=0 1rep=7578 mate =4142
predicted=0 nodes=14673360 evals=1 50move=0
endgame tablebase-> probes=0 hits=0
hashing-> 68%(raw) 64%(depth) 91%(sat) 0%(pawn)
hashing-> 0%(exact) 61%(lower) 3%(upper)
Black(1): Ng1, time used 22.65
------------------------------------
SL.

[Dann Corbit]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Dann Corbit at 15 July 2004 01:25:00:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 July 2004 01:17:38:

Sorry, the correct name should be "BHnosse". It is your version working in my AMD Duron processor.
I´ll make the name correction.
SL.

What GUI were you using for this match? Also can you you enter the following FEN in the crafty console (startup crafty by its self no GUI)
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - - 5 105
then type go and let me know the move it chooses.

I am using Arena 1.08.
I don´t know how to enter FEN in console mode. Give me some explanation, please.
In console mode Crafty expects a move to be played.
SL.

Run the crafty.exe from a DOS window. After it starts up and you see the White(1): prompt just type in PONDER OFF then hit return then type in
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - -
then hit enter
then type in
go
then enter
Let me know what it says the move is on the Black(1): line. You just type in quit to exit out of the console. I belive there maybe a problem with running the NOSSE version on your Duron. The NOSSE version is for Athlons not Duron CPUs. So it may run but may have issues. Since I do not have a Duron CPU I have no way to test things. This is a draw back in trying to create the fastest compile for several platforms.

Hi,
I have simply started crafty.exe from Windows explorer, it was not original DOS windows. If you insiste I could repeat experience.
After typing PONDER OFF it sayd : Illegal move PONDER
Finaly, after entering your position, there were 16 lines, and the last one is:
16 21.70 -0.09 1...Ng1 2.Rh8 Ke3 3.Kc4 Ne2 4.Rg8 Kf2 5.Kd5 Ke1 6.Ke6 Kd1 7.Ra8 Ng3 8.Kf7 Nf1 9.Ra1+ Ke2
time=22.64 cpu=6115% mat=2 n=14673360 fh=88% nps=648K
ext-> chk=904184 cap=0 pp=0 1rep=7578 mate =4142
predicted=0 nodes=14673360 evals=1 50move=0
endgame tablebase-> probes=0 hits=0
hashing-> 68%(raw) 64%(depth) 91%(sat) 0%(pawn)
hashing-> 0%(exact) 61%(lower) 3%(upper)
Black(1): Ng1, time used 22.65
------------------------------------
SL.

======================================================================
With tablebase files:
======================================================================
Crafty v19.15
White(1): ponder off
pondering disabled.
White(1): setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - -
1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ne2+ 3. Kc4 Nc1 4. Rg8 Ne2 5. Rh8 Nc1
Black(1): go
time surplus 0.00 time limit 22.50 (3:30)
depth time score variation (1)
time=0.00 cpu=100% mat=2 n=78 fh=100% nps=10K
ext-> chk=0 cap=0 pp=0 1rep=0 mate=0
predicted=0 nodes=78 evals=1 50move=0
endgame tablebase-> probes=12 hits=12
Black(1): Ng1
======================================================================
Without tablebase files:
======================================================================
Crafty v19.15
White(1): egtb off
White(1): ponder off
pondering disabled.
White(1): setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - -
1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ne2+ 3. Kc4 Nc1 4. Rg8 Ne2 5. Rh8 Nc1
Black(1):
Black(1): go
time surplus 0.00 time limit 22.50 (3:30)
depth time score variation (1)
11 0.25 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1
11-> 0.31 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1
12 0.70 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
12-> 0.77 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
13 1.60 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
Ng3
13-> 1.73 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
Ng3
14 3.42 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
Ng3 8. Kf7
14-> 3.63 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
Ng3 8. Kf7
15 6.90 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
Ng3 8. Kf7 Nf1
15-> 7.19 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
Ng3 8. Kf7 Nf1
16 13.36 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
Ng3 8. Kf7 Nf1 9. Ra1+ Ke2
16-> 13.88 0.00 1. ... Ng1 2. Rh8 Ke3 3. Kc4 Ne2 4.
Rg8 Kf2 5. Kd5 Ke1 6. Ke6 Kd1 7. Ra8
Ng3 8. Kf7 Nf1 9. Ra1+ Ke2
time=22.52 cpu=96% mat=2 n=21087430 fh=89% nps=936K
ext-> chk=1347624 cap=0 pp=0 1rep=10319 mate=7009
predicted=0 nodes=21087430 evals=1 50move=0
endgame tablebase-> probes=0 hits=0
Black(1): Ng1



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[Bryan Hofmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 15 July 2004 13:50:10:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 July 2004 01:17:38:

Sorry, the correct name should be "BHnosse". It is your version working in my AMD Duron processor.
I´ll make the name correction.
SL.

What GUI were you using for this match? Also can you you enter the following FEN in the crafty console (startup crafty by its self no GUI)
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - - 5 105
then type go and let me know the move it chooses.

I am using Arena 1.08.
I don´t know how to enter FEN in console mode. Give me some explanation, please.
In console mode Crafty expects a move to be played.
SL.

Run the crafty.exe from a DOS window. After it starts up and you see the White(1): prompt just type in PONDER OFF then hit return then type in
setboard 4R3/8/8/8/5k2/2K2n2/8/8 b - -
then hit enter
then type in
go
then enter
Let me know what it says the move is on the Black(1): line. You just type in quit to exit out of the console. I belive there maybe a problem with running the NOSSE version on your Duron. The NOSSE version is for Athlons not Duron CPUs. So it may run but may have issues. Since I do not have a Duron CPU I have no way to test things. This is a draw back in trying to create the fastest compile for several platforms.

Hi,
I have simply started crafty.exe from Windows explorer, it was not original DOS windows. If you insiste I could repeat experience.
After typing PONDER OFF it sayd : Illegal move PONDER
Finaly, after entering your position, there were 16 lines, and the last one is:
16 21.70 -0.09 1...Ng1 2.Rh8 Ke3 3.Kc4 Ne2 4.Rg8 Kf2 5.Kd5 Ke1 6.Ke6 Kd1 7.Ra8 Ng3 8.Kf7 Nf1 9.Ra1+ Ke2
time=22.64 cpu=6115% mat=2 n=14673360 fh=88% nps=648K
ext-> chk=904184 cap=0 pp=0 1rep=7578 mate =4142
predicted=0 nodes=14673360 evals=1 50move=0
endgame tablebase-> probes=0 hits=0
hashing-> 68%(raw) 64%(depth) 91%(sat) 0%(pawn)
hashing-> 0%(exact) 61%(lower) 3%(upper)
Black(1): Ng1, time used 22.65
------------------------------------
SL.

Ok then there is nothing wrong with the build you have. Did you notice if in one of the previous lines if Kg3 was looked at? As to why it choose the Kg3 move during the game I have no idea but in console mode it is making the correct move. If you do not have xboard in you craft.rc I would recommend that you do so.

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 July 2004 16:21:38:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 15 July 2004 13:50:10:

Ok then there is nothing wrong with the build you have. Did you notice if in one of the previous lines if Kg3 was looked at? As to why it choose the Kg3 move during the game I have no idea but in console mode it is making the correct move. If you do not have xboard in you craft.rc I would recommend that you do so.

OK, It is there now. And the "xboard" Command Line Option in Arena, as well.
Perhaps it was in time trouble during the game, and hadn´t enough time to choose the right move.
Do you remember that 19.14 BHnosse wasn´t able to work correctly in my PC ? It was instable. Now it works perfectly.
SL.

[Bryan Hofmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 15 July 2004 18:16:57:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: New version old problem: Crafty doesn´t know how to ... geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 15 July 2004 16:21:38:

Ok then there is nothing wrong with the build you have. Did you notice if in one of the previous lines if Kg3 was looked at? As to why it choose the Kg3 move during the game I have no idea but in console mode it is making the correct move. If you do not have xboard in you craft.rc I would recommend that you do so.

OK, It is there now. And the "xboard" Command Line Option in Arena, as well.
Perhaps it was in time trouble during the game, and hadn´t enough time to choose the right move.
Do you remember that 19.14 BHnosse wasn´t able to work correctly in my PC ? It was instable. Now it works perfectly.
SL.

Without complete debug logs it is impossible to say what happened. I do know some issues have been reported with Arena and Crafty and the resolve reported was to use the xboard command.
As I stated before, the version you are using was optimized for Athlon CPUs. It may run just fine on Durons but this has not been tested by me. I can only say that on a Athlon the build runs with out problems and was compiled the same way as beofre.